With the standoff down in rural Alabama entering its second day, we now know a little more about the suspect who shot a school bus driver and took a kid hostage. His name is Jimmie Lee Dykes, age 65.
Neighbors describe Dykes as being "anti-government" and said he was "a long time concern" in the community, WSFA.com reported. Court records show he was due in court Wednesday morning to face menacing charges, according to the station.
Gee, I'm shocked. I wonder if he was a regular reader of Kevin Baker's site. Of course, this is a great example of the study that I put up from the other day as to the danger that this type of person, whether acting alone or with others, presents to the public. Where are the left wing radicals that shoot bus drivers and take kids hostages?
And this is yet another example of why the current system we have regarding guns needs to be refined.
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Don't you know? We have much more to fear from ELF than we do from gun owners stopping buses on the road and kidnapping children, fired workers taking out their anger on their bosses and gun hoarders going berserk and shooting up a school/office/movie theater/mall/firemen trying to do their job, or boobs accidentally shooting themselves and their wives in restaurants/bathrooms/bars/walking down the street.
After all, ELF has torched hundreds of hummers and SUVs, ski resorts, million dollar homes, power lines, logging headquarters and pieces of commercial logging equipment. And in 20 years they've killed ... nobody. But it's just a matter to time before they screw up and kill someone!
I'm not defending ELF's actions, which are idiotic and counterproductive. I'm just saying that it's ludicrous that people puff up the danger from ELF while minimizing the actual carnage of tens of thousands of Americans dying from guns, the majority of whom are dying at the hands of themselves and their spouses simply because they're arguing and they have guns in the house.
Once you have a gun and get into the mindset that using a gun to kill someone is okay, you're much more likely and able to use a gun to kill someone. Even someone you care about.
Typical Marky, never miss an opportunity to slander "the right" before all the facts are in. Remember the last time you claimed someone making "anti-government" statements was of the right? How'd that work out for you?
(What was that about being unable to assimilate new information?)
Until more information comes in, I am content to do two things:
1) Actually wait for the full story. The man who leaps before he looks frequently finds death at the bottom.
2) Based on the statements of those who had encountered this guy, I would have been among those saying "there's something wrong with this guy." And though I cannot speak for anyone else, I'm reasonably certain that everyone over at TSM would say the same thing.
There are so many examples to choose from though, NMN, that it's really not a big deal if one or two don't fit the mold. Remember this one? And the sound of crickets that followed?
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/Jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/
Yes, the ELF is exactly the same cult of both sides
Yes, that was apparently one case of a conservative going over the edge. Did you notice the "unemployed" part? That's apparently the second biggest trigger after "mental issues".
Need I remind you that the plural of "anecdote" is not "data"?
My point is that you've been quick to label "anti-government" as "conservative" in a vain attempt to "win the argument", only to make a fool of yourself by making that mistake before.
one case of a conservative going over the edge.
http://markadelphia.blogspot.com/2008/07/conservativeterrorists.html
I'd also add in McVeigh, despite the hurried and nervous mouth backflips that he wasn't really a conservative. How about David Koresh?
I responded to your name, now you can respond to my name, (which I brought up first, BTW):
Joseph Stack
What say you?
Stack is an interesting case. He hated big business and health care companies but he also hated unions. Most of his ire was directed at the IRS and that IS where he ultimately flew his plane, killing an IRS agent. I never claimed that all anti government types had to only hate certain groups. He, like Alex Jones, called for a violent revolt against the government.
Stack is an interesting case. He hated big business and health care companies but he also hated unions. Most of his ire was directed at the IRS and that IS where he ultimately flew his plane, killing an IRS agent. I never claimed that all anti government types had to only hate certain groups. He, like Alex Jones, called for a violent revolt against the government.
How do you feel about the IRS?
But any time someone is "anti-government"—as in this case—you fall all over yourself to immediately label them as right-wing so you can use their misbehavior as a cudgel. Honest you are not.
Show me the left wingers that are running around these days causing an equal amount of problems (and supported by a large group of voters and representatives) and I will admit it's true on both sides.
You know the other thing you could do is simply admit that your side has a problem. Nah, what am I saying?:)
I never claimed that all anti government types had to only hate certain groups.
But you do seem to claim that all anti government types are right wing.
Chimpy HitlerBurtin McBush doesn't sound very right wing while at the same time sounds rather anti government......Curious that.
admit that your side has a problem.
Oh my, doesn't that say something. Not anything about you, but about the side that you must occupy in M's mental framework.
I'd say you've got quite a problem there M. Not your side, just you personally.
admit that your side has a problem
If you even had the beginnings of a valid argument, then it would be worth considering.
Instead, you have to go pick from several decades to find a handful of individuals who acted on their own. All you have demonstrated is that people holding conservative beliefs resorting to violence is RARE. When something is rare, that means it cannot establish a pattern. It's on the extreme ends of the bell curve.
If you could show that conservatives routinely resorted to violence (is in 10's or 100's of times a year), that they did so well before it was the last available option, that conservative ideas actually called for such unnecessary violence, and that most (especially a super majority of) conservatives celebrated or otherwise excused such violence, then you might actually be making some headway. It would also really, really help if you could accurately characterize actual conservative ideas. (You can't, which is where Voices In Your Head™ comes from.)
Instead, all you can bring to the table is a handful of outliers and claims that images like this represent threats of violence which must be dealt with by "getting out the big dicks and start swinging".
(Yes, there is a threat in that image. Can you accurately describe the precise nature of that threat?)
Stack is an interesting case.
Fascinating. Absolutely no admission that you jumped to a wrong conclusion that he was a right-winger in your haste to judge us.
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