Politico has a great piece up about the myths (see: lies) about the Affordable Care Act. It caught my eye because of a little tidbit that came up recently came up in comments about Indiana's rates rising by 72 percent.
Two states are playing starring roles in Republicans’ “Obamacare rate shock” warnings: Ohio, which said its health insurance rates for individuals will go up 88 percent, and Indiana, which estimated its individual rates will rise by 72 percent.
There’s just one problem: Both states’ insurance departments tell POLITICO that people’s premiums won’t necessarily go up by that much.
Neither state was actually talking about premiums — they were talking about the basic cost of providing health insurance.
Neither state tried to distinguish between the four different levels of Obamacare coverage. They just mashed all of the costs together, so a casual customer would have no sense that some plans will be cheaper than others.
What this clearly demonstrates is that when conservatives make an accusation, the rest of the country should just sit back and wait for it to implode. They don't have anything other than adolescent outbursts that are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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And California attempted to lie about the cost and were busted doing so.
Since you ignored this before:
This report compiles data from over 30 studies and analyses that examine the effect of
Obamacare provisions on health care premiums in the individual and small group market.
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"This report outlines the increase in premiums that Americans are projected to face because
of Obamacare, describes the provisions of the law driving the premium spike, and provides
historical examples of how state laws similar to Obamacare’s key provisions made health
coverage unaffordable."
In other words reason, math, and history are all against the proposed benefits for this legislation. And yet you keep trying to sell it...
Ah, math and history again I see...
So, we're just going to keep pretending that the ACA isn't going to work? Even though it hasn't been implemented yet?
So, we're just going to keep pretending that the ACA isn't going to work? Even though it hasn't been implemented yet?
That doesn't even make any sense.
Does one have to actually stick their finger in a light socket to know they will be shocked?
Your argument seems to be a variant of another well known one. Apparently we won't know whether ACA will work until it's fully implemented. Of course by then it would be too late to stop. That must be a feature, not a bug huh?
I have to admit I'm going to thoroughly enjoy the mental meltdown you guys are going to go through when the ACA actually works. It's going to be "The End" isn't it?
when the ACA actually works.
LMAO - by what definition of "works"?
Not by any definition any right winger will have, that's for sure. It will always be failure just like Social Security will always be a Ponzi Scheme.
The program should be sustainable, not just popular.
Not by any definition any right winger will have, that's for sure.
Excellent.
So what is your definition of ACA working? How will you know when to pop the cork on the champagne?
Let's see what happens when the law is fully implemented and then we can decide.
Let's see what happens when the law is fully implemented and then we can decide.
You mean 1) after the illegitimate delays the Obama Administration has created, or 2) after the waivers the Obama Administration have lapsed? I suppose that could be an 'and' not just an 'or'.
So, you can't even say what success looks like. That is perfect... truly perfect. Is there any better summation of progressive stupidity then we'll pass this law because it makes us feel good even though we have no fucking idea how well it is going to work because we have no fucking idea what success would even look like.
Thank you. What more can anyone say?
So, you can't even say what success looks like. That is perfect...
Yes, that's it! You got me, juris. You "win."
Since you missed the point entirely, I'll explain it to you. I don't have to say what success looks like. The results of the ACA will speak for themselves. The question I have for you is will you look at them honestly? Or will it all be bad? Don't turn it back around on me. Just answer the fucking question.
The results of the ACA will speak for themselves.
So since you can't even begin to describe what success will look like, you just presume that whatever results there are will be success. Doesn't matter if misery goes up, if cost goes up, even if more people die - by god that is all success!
I'm not winning here M - despite your totally childish preoccupation with such. You are losing though, losing whatever tiny little grasp you had on reality in your mindless devotion to progressivism. I think that is rather sad.
You are losing though, losing whatever tiny little grasp you had on reality in your mindless devotion to progressivism.
Let's remember this statement in a couple of years when the ACA is fully implemented:)
Let's remember this statement in a couple of years when the ACA is fully implemented:)
And then what? How will you even fucking know if things have gotten better when you won't [or is it can't?] even attempt to describe what that success would look like? You won't know, but if Obama tells you it is, you'll fucking swallow it without a doubt.
Too bad you weren't around to follow Rev. Jim Jones like that.
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