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Wednesday, March 26, 2014

Generation Wars

These days people of every generation are vilifying other generations. Generation X is a bunch of ne'er-do-wells who were still living with mom at age 35, Millenials are coddled brats with helicoptering mothers, and Baby Boomers are self-involved ex-hippies who are going to destroy the entire economy by sucking Social Security dry.

Atlantic's The Wire has the definitive guide to the generations. Well, as definitive as you can get.

Because, honestly, all this stuff about generations is nonsense. Take, for example, the Greatest Generation. Ostensibly these are the people who suffered through the Depression, fought WWII and saved the world for democracy. But that generation is defined as ending in 1946. 1946! How could someone born after WWII ended have done spit to save to the world for democracy?

For that matter, how could anyone born after 1928 contributed in any material way to our victory over the Axis? My dad, born in 1933, was 12 when the war ended. He joined the army in the early 1950s but spent the Korean War in Germany. This Washington Post story does a better job of splitting up the generations, calling my father's cohort the Silent Generation.

It's the same with the Baby Boom: it's really at least two different cultural cohorts. Supposedly, it's characterized by the anti-war, free-love, acid-dropping turn-on-tune-in-drop-out, women's lib and civil rights movements of the 1960s. I was born in 1957, smack in the middle of the demographic bubble. But I was 12 when the 1960s ended. All that counter-culture stuff was completely alien to me.

The idea that the tens of millions of people born during the same 20-year period all have some kind of personality traits in common is even sillier than the idea that everyone born in the same month shares the same horoscope. George W. Bush and Bill Clinton were both born in 1946, but that's about all they have in common.

What's salient about generations is not what year you're born, but what cultural events affected you when you were impressionable. But it's more complicated than that, because kids of different ages are impressed by different things.

Kids 5-12 will be influenced by things such as video games, the space program, cuddly animals, dinosaurs, fire trucks, and so on. Wars in far-off lands, sex, booze and drugs will never enter their minds -- if their parents are doing their jobs right. Kids 13-17 will be affected by the opposite sex, booze and drugs because those things concern them directly. Eighteen- to 25-year-olds are leaving home and entering the wider world, but are still quite impressionable, and are now being influenced by greater concerns like fighting in wars, earning a living, taxes, raising children of their own, politics and so on.

Your parents also affect your development: two children born in 1957, one to a 45-year-old WWII vet and the other to a 17-year-old single mother, are going to have completely different influences.

Even where you live can make a big difference: social trends starting in California or New York may take 10 or 15 years to reach Memphis or Topeka.

In my case the sexual revolution and drug culture of the 1960s completely passed me by, but the space program and moon landing on the 1960s captured the interest of a 5- to 12-year-old. My politically formative years were the 1970s and early 80s, the tail end of the Vietnam War, Watergate, the Oil Crisis, the Iranian hostage crisis, and Iran-Contra. According to this website, that puts me squarely in Generation X. I was born at the height of the Baby Boom, but culturally I'm a Gen-Xer.

The problem is is trying to define generations as lasting 20 years, apparently conforming to the active reproductive years of the human female. But people don't fall into neat little 20-year boxes. They're being born constantly.

If we're going to talk meaningfully about generations, we have to give up the idea of all parents belonging to one generation and the kids belonging to the next. Instead we have to talk about smaller cultural cohorts that may not be the same length. Thus, the turmoil of the 60s lasted about 10 or 12 years, but the relative stasis of the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s endured for almost 30 years.

I would divvy up the cultural cohorts this way:

The Greatest Generation was between 1910 and 1928. They came of age during the Depression and fought in WWII. These folks are mostly gone now.

My father's generation lived through the Depression as children; they knew deprivation, but not the desperation that comes with being unable to provide for your children. They came of age during the post-War years, the Korean War, and the height of the Cold War, when in the 40's and 1950s Russia and the United States tested nuclear weapons every other week and people were building bomb shelters in their back yards.

The cultural cohort that corresponds to what we call the Baby Boom were children in the 1950s and teenagers in the 1960s, born from, say, 1942 to 1955. They were affected by the Vietnam war and the sexual revolution and all the other perils of that turbulent time.

My cultural cohort was born between 1952 and 1970, people who came of age in the relatively calm times of 70s and 80s. I'd call it the Computer Cohort. This includes Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, the people who created the personal computer and made computers an integral part of everyday life during the 1980s. This generation were the shock troops in the fiscalization of our economy, where making money became more important than making things.

The next cohort came of age in the boom years of the late 80's and 1990s, when communism fell, America was unquestionably the king of the world, we could snap our fingers and the world would help us take down a dictator like Saddam Hussein and the Internet became widely accessible.

The next cohort comes of age in the 2000s and 2010s, their nights haunted by dreams of 9/11 and their days dogged by endless war in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Internet becomes omnipresent and almost omniscient; this generation is the first to be electronically tethered to their peers all their lives.

We blame the children of each generation for their peculiar characteristics, but their parents and grandparents created the world that shaped them.

Baby Boomers are criticized for all getting old at the same time, putting a drain on the Social Security system and forcing their children and grandchildren to pay for their retirements. But they didn't ask to be born, and they had nothing to do with increases in Social Security payments, which are tied to inflation through automatic cost of living adjustments put in place by legislation Congress passed in the 1970s, when most Baby Boomers weren't old enough to be elected to Congress and many weren't even old enough to vote.

Generation X is criticized for living with their parents, but their elders tanked the economy, forcing them into that ignominy. And their parents let them stay in their basements. Millennials are castigated for constantly texting and playing video games, or their parents coming to to job interviews with them. But it's their parents and grandparents who built the Internet, created microelectronics, cellphones and wi-fi, and go to the job interviews with their kids.

In so many ways, it's the parents who are responsible for the way their kids turn out. Yet we always blame the kids for our mistakes.

If you look closely at the criticisms leveled at every generation, they're always the same: those people are selfish, self-involved jerks who don't give a rip about my problems. All of this boils down to the same old-man rant: kids these days just ain't got no respect.

And get off my lawn!

20 comments:

Unknown said...

I agree except I think that Generation "Y'' or whatever the one is that was born in the 80s are a bunch of slugs and ignorant fools, as a rule :).

Mark Ward said...

True, Gina, and those are the ones I define as the Michael Jordan Generation. They are the parents of the kids in school right now and they really, really suck. In fact, 95 percent of our problems with education are their fault.

GuardDuck said...

95 percent of our problems with education are their fault.

95%? Such a specific number.

Unknown said...

Oh come on, Mark is right, who cares about statistics. It is just obvious in dealing with these people on a day to day basis. College professors of all sorts complain that freshman don't know how to read, can't diagram a sentence, blah blah blah. The standards obviously have been lowered in order for the colleges to make more money. Additionally, it is public knowledge that the SAT has been dumbed down dramatically since Mark and I were of that age. It is ridiculous. Eventually "Idiocracy" will rule, just by sheer numbers. Hopefully I will be dead by then.

Mark Ward said...

What really bums me out is how teachers get blamed for freshmen not knowing how to read and somehow that's because of the "liberal" ideology of the education system. It's clear that people that think this haven't set foot in a school or dealt with parents on a regular basis. They just have an ax to grind with liberals.

Don't be so pessimistic, Gina. These things usually have a way of working themselves out. And thanks for commenting a little more often. It's nice to have some new blood in here. Hopefully some folks will migrate towards your site as well!

Juris Imprudent said...

I have an ax to grind with liberals M - because liberals are worse than conservatives about telling me how to live my life.

If liberals ever gave that up, then I'd be grinding an ax about neo-cons and so-cons.

Teachers are not the only reason our education system is a mess, but they ARE part of the problem.

Mark Ward said...

because liberals are worse than conservatives about telling me how to live my life.

Perhaps it's because they "just don't understand" and "you don't wanna!" (stomp stomp stomp...SLAM! Fuck you, dad!) When are you going to grow the fuck up, juris? That should be the Democratic platform from here on out...grow up.

Given the challenges we face today as a country, you don't get to do what you want to do all the time. Sometimes you are, in fact, wrong about what is in the best interest of the nation as a whole.

And if you think teachers are part of the problem, go spend a week at a junior high. You have an average of 30 kids in a class, at least 5 of which have IEPs and another 5-10 with behavior problems. Then you have another 5-10 more whose parents have not taught them basic manners and respect because those parents are children themselves. Teachers aren't there to teach students how to behave but that's what we end up doing because no one else does. And where does that leave the 10 or so kids who are good students? In a disruptive classroom environment.

People wonder why some kids get to college and they can't read. It's the parents. Period. They are failing to bring up their kids in a responsible way.



GuardDuck said...

When are you going to grow the fuck up, juris?

You want freedom? You can't handle freedom.....

That should be the new proggie slogan....

For fucks sake, you just came out and told us that you think gov't is dad, and the people are the kids. But then you go all bi-polar and get mad about the 'kids' throwing a tantrum......

GuardDuck said...

People wonder why some kids get to college and they can't read. It's the parents. Period.

Has nothing to do with giving someone who can't read a passing grade?

Mark Ward said...

told us that you think gov't is dad

No, that's YOUR problem. Someone should really do a study on whether or not there is a correlation between being conservative and having a dysfunctional relationship with one's parents.

You want freedom? You can't handle freedom.....

How many logical fallacies can you fit in one line? I count at least 4:)

Has nothing to do with giving someone who can't read a passing grade?

Another fallacy. Stop reading right wing web sites, GD...sheesh...

Juris Imprudent said...

When are you going to grow the fuck up, juris?

That is priceless coming from the toddler that wants to be an adolescent while still having mommy's apron strings keeping him safe.

Sometimes you are, in fact, wrong about what is in the best interest of the nation as a whole.

Yes, I am. When are you going to admit the same? Mostly I don't think about "the nation as a whole" - ein volk and all that. But you go right ahead and keep insisting that you and your Dem handlers only and always have MY best interests in mind; that in fact you know what I need better than I do. I really love that unabated and absolutely unjustified arrogance.

And if you think teachers are part of the problem

Ah, struck a nerve did I?

They are failing to bring up their kids in a responsible way.

I might agree if we use your children as a benchmark. God knows they are handicapped by their parentage.

Juris Imprudent said...

Let me amend my last lest that seem truly over the top. You probably have nice kids, just as I imagine you are probably a decent person - your online persona to the contrary.

The point is you will immediately exempt yourself from your criticism of other people. It is always about the others with you. A reflective person might ponder on that observation.

Mark Ward said...

still having mommy's apron strings keeping him safe.

So, the government is mommy and daddy now too, eh? How well do you get along with your parents, juris?:)

Mostly I don't think about "the nation as a whole"

Exactly why your ideology would be a complete disaster.

As to the rest of your ad hom, I don't get why you are so insecure.

GuardDuck said...

So, the government is mommy and daddy now too, eh? How well do you get along with your parents, juris?:)


you don't get to do what you want to do all the time. Sometimes you are, in fact, wrong about what is in the best interest of the nation as a whole.


Either the gov't is not mommy and daddy and we do get to do what we want - because freedom. Or it is mommy and daddy and it gets to tell us what to do in 'our best interests'.....


You contradict yourself in the same thread once again.

GuardDuck said...

People wonder why some kids get to college and they can't read. It's the parents. Period.

Has nothing to do with giving someone who can't read a passing grade?

Another fallacy. Stop reading right wing web sites, GD...sheesh...



Serious Mark? YOU said kids get into college who can't read. Last I knew, one CAN'T get into college without first PASSING high school. Last I also heard, one CAN'T pass high school without PASSING GRADES.

Default - if TEACHERS stopped giving PASSING grades to kids who can't read, then kids who can't read CAN'T get into college.

Mark Ward said...

I'd like to see some numbers on how many teachers (out of 100,000 schools in this country) are giving kids a passing grade who can't read. But you are still missing the point. Blaming the public servant for what is clearly a problem of parenting is ludicrous.

GuardDuck said...

Clearly the parents fault? Really?

While it may actually be the parents fault the child does not learn to read....

Once you claim that they get into college without being able to read, that fault lays squarely with those who give passing grades that allow anything other than failure.

Excusing such actions and blaming others is ludicrous.

Mark Ward said...

Actually, it was Gina that originally made that claim and my comment following should have had an "if" in front of it so poor wording on my part.

It's not that students can't read when they get to college. It's that they read at a lower level then they should. That is absolutely the fault of the parents for not being engaged for whatever reason. I've said this many times, GD. Spend a week in a junior high. Until you do that, any claims you make about poor practice by teachers are uninformed.

GuardDuck said...

It's not that students can't read when they get to college. It's that they read at a lower level then they should. That is absolutely the fault of the parents for not being engaged for whatever reason


No.

If they are reading at a lower level than they are capable of - that is the parents fault.

If they are reading at a lower level than is expected of a high school graduate and college student - that is most definitely the fault of those who gave them grades showing competence beyond that actually possessed.

I don't need to spend time inside a school to know that a person given a passing grade in a subject they do not have competency in is the fault of the person giving the grade.

Mark Ward said...

I'd like to see some statistics on how many passing grades are given out of the 100,000 schools in this country. I submit the it's yet another example of misleading vividness.

And you do need to spend some time at a school. Far too many children severely lack basic manners or respect for teachers. Parents are in constant negotiation mode to try to get their kid a better grade even thought they didn't do the work. They aren't thinking globally.