Last Sunday, Scott Roeder walked into Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita, KS and shot Dr. George Tiller, killing him for being a late term abortion provider. From my local paper:
Roeder's family life began unraveling more than a decade ago when he got involved with anti-government groups, and then became "very religious in an Old Testament, eye-for-an-eye way," his former wife, Lindsey Roeder, told The Associated Press. "The anti-tax stuff came first, and then it grew and grew. He became very anti-abortion."
I'm sad to report that I'm certain this is only the beginning. As I have been saying for months, the real danger in regards to domestic terrorism is from the right, not the left. The right is far more organized, greater in number, getting more armed every day, and fucking pissed off as hell. And people gave me shit for the DHS report...
What I find to be most interesting about this latest incident in relation to the DHS report is how the right complains of "profiling" when they do the exact same fucking thing every day with Muslims. How many times have we heard the line "not all terrorists are Muslims but all the ones that are attacking us are Muslims?"
Not anymore.
The people that are going to cause the most violence in this country in the next year are exactly what Ms. Roeder described above...anti government, anti tax, old testament, anti abortion.
Sound like the base of a certain party to anyone?
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i guess this is the only way you can get any discussion on here anymore. a muslim shot 2 soldiers in arkansas this week also and you talk about this? weak.
No, I'll talk about it. This is a perfect pairing: the right-wing Muslims and the right-wing Christians are much more alike than they are different. They have the same hate-gays, keep-women-down, guns-guns-guns, ends-justify-the-means, death-to-the-infidel/death-to-the-abortionist, I'm-a'goin-to-heaven rhetoric and attitude.
The anti-American Muslim terrorist hates what America is doing in the Middle East. He was angry that Americans are killing living, breathing Muslims in bombing raids in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The anti-abortion Christian terrorist hates what America is doing in America. He was angry that Americans are killing unborn fetuses in abortion clinics and 8-cell embryos in labs.
The real problem is not Muslims or Christians. It's the demagogues and extremists like Osama bin Laden and Bill O'Reilly who brain-wash susceptible people into becoming their minions by inflaming them with hatred and the idea that they are somehow enabled by God to do His will. And somehow that will always involves killing people, when both religions firmly say that killing is just plain wrong.
Right after 9/11 the right went nuts about Muslims and how we had to do anything we can to stop them. They didn't care that the terrorists' rights were being violated, that innocent people were being herded into Guantanamo where they were kept for years without charge (and they were -- hundreds have been freed and had nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism before or after).
At that time I said that the right was making a huge mistake by ignoring the rights of terrorists, because in the last 30 years, terrorists in America have by and large been right-wing religious zealots (McVeigh, Eric Rudolf, bin Laden, etc.).
Now, by the lights of the conservatives, we should be spying on abortion protesters as well as Muslims. We should tapping their phones, spying on their meetings, opening their mail, and so on. They have a decades-long history of bombings, shootings and murder. It only makes sense.
A lot of Muslims are mad because we invaded Iraq based on Dick Cheney's lies. They're mad because we tortured and humiliated Muslims in Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Afghanistan, and around the world. They're mad because we back Israel no matter how many Palestinians they shoot on the streets of Gaza, and how much land they take from Palestine.
A lot of anti-abortionists are mad because doctors are performing legal medical procedures.
That's the comparison between the two aggrieved parties, the Muslims and the anti-abortionists.
And the most ironic thing? I'd guess that bin Laden would call the doctor-murderer a hero and a martyr.
Figures that M would treat this as ham-handedly as he did. Well played sir, just like a fiddle you are. A screechy, one-note fiddle.
All too true, blk. My ultra right wing friend at the gym told me that Muslims that don't follow bin Laden aren't true Muslims. What the??!!
I'm curious, juris. What is it going to take for you to admit that the right are more of a problem than the left? I know you aren't a right winger and I won't put you in that stereotype like some others here do but there is something very serious going on in this country with right wing extremists. I see them getting close to the threat level of Al Qaeda.
According to recent polling, a majority of Americans oppose abortion -- which is consistent with liberals' hysterical refusal to allow us to vote on the subject. In a country with approximately 150 million pro-lifers, five abortionists have been killed since Roe v. Wade.
In that same 36 years, more than 49 million babies have been killed by abortionists. Let's recap that halftime score, sports fans: 49 million to five.
People over there hated us long before 2001....and it wasn't just the right wing nuts that went nuts about muslims after 9/11 - I still have the initial notes from the front emails. It was a good try...trying to pass that bs fact onto the right wing.
Rights of terrorists? What rights were/are those? Are they protected by our Bill of Rights? Our Constitution? They sure aren't protected by the Geneva Conventions because they don't fight under the flag of any one country. Tell me what rights you are talking about, then show me the document where the rights were put into law.
Just like I don't care about using our technology to penetrate Al Queda networks by any means necessary, I don't give a crap if Obama taps the phones of violent anti-abortion idiots either(I'm pro-choice btw). There - you have some consistency. Funny thing is, blk didn't actually say whether or not he supports that. If y'all see them getting to be a major threat then what would you do if you were in charge? Here's your chance to stop hurling insults on the internet and put forth a proactive solution. Show us the light, you educated folks you.
This conservative has a gay roommate who he gets along with very well and I have lots of female friends while at the same time not feeling the need to be seen around town with the hot ones. Keep the stereotypes coming.
and for violence to be denounced in the post after the post that advocated more violence toward Pakintani civilians is ironic.
Ann, that's fine if you believe that a zygote or an embryo is a baby. I don't. And no one, except God (if you believe) knows when life begins. It certainly is not a stem cell.
That doesn't make me pro abortion. It's a woman's body and she gets to choose. That is the law of the land. Typical that you set yourself up as judge and jury because the law states that is against the law to murder an "abortionist."
BTW, your numbers are off. Please review a previous column by mark
http://markadelphia.blogspot.com/2008/07/conservativeterrorists.html
That's 8 by my count plus Dr. Tiller. So now we are up to nine. 9 illegal murders to 0 btw because abortion is legal in this country.
I apologize. It's 49 million to 9.
Oh, and honey, if it's not a baby, you're not pregnant.
That may be true. So many things are not developed in the first three months so it really may not be a baby right away.
Now, I do agree that once you pass a certain point (2nd and 3rd trimester obviously) in the first trimester, it is a fetus and there should be no termination.
Of course, all of this is moot. If the pro life crowd were serious about reducing the number of abortions in this country, they wouldn't block every sex education bill and encourage stringent birth control efforts. As Mark as said frequently, President Obama is the first actual pro life candidate that we have had in years when you factor in his plans on climate change, health care, and to raise the abysmal standard of living for our nation's children...three things that the GOP (supposed pro lifers) don't give a shit about.
There aren't many nations that have a standard of living like we do here in the states. You describe ours as abysmal? Even our poor people struggle with obesity, have cars, have TV's, etc. If all those problems exist in a few years, I'm going to be able to easily conclude that none of you give a shit about those people either because there is absolutely nothing in your governments way from solving those problems at this point in time. The fallacy very well could be that too many people think the government can solve the problem. The world is watching.
Keep telling yourself that someone who has another viewpoint about an issue "doesn't give a shit about" said issue. The fact that they "don't give a shit about it" is really a moot point right now because they aren't in power anymore. The burden is on you guys now and instead of saying how great things are going, how much the world is changing, etc, y'all still can't type much without hanging on the nutsacks of the folks on the right. Cheer up for once.
Fact of the matter is that the increased CAFE standards Obama will put in place won't have much of an effect on your global warming cause when, every 2 weeks, China fires up a coal burning power plant that is big enough to power San Diego.
What is it going to take for you to admit that the right are more of a problem than the left?
First off TG, thanks for not stereotyping.
I won't accept the proposition as you put it. Extremism is the problem with no regard for which end of the political spectrum it occupies.
There are eco- and animal-rights terrorists and they are a problem. There are anti-abortion terrorists like this individual and they are a problem. That we characterize the former as 'left' and the latter as 'right' is really pretty damn insignificant. What is most problematic is that those who are politically close to one or the other keep trying to throw all the blame at the other end.
...they wouldn't block every sex education bill and encourage stringent birth control efforts
Do you seriously think most abortions happen due to ignorance about sex? If not, then your first point is irrelevant. And if you do think the large majority of unplanned pregnancies are because women don't understand their own bodies (and they can only get that information from state-run schools) - well you have perfected a different form of ignorance.
I'm not sure what you mean by more stringent birth control, but I will remind you that the earliest advocates of birth control in the Progressive era last century wanted it to weed out what they considered the undesirables. As much as I might agree with you that there are people that should not be reproducing, I'll be damned if I trust the state to make that decision.
"I see them getting close to the threat level of Al Qaeda."
Oh man, you folks make me laugh with your exaggerations.
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