Lately, however, right minded folk seem to be losing their minds. I mean this quite literally and it's getting worse everyday. I'm sure that many folks who post here of the conservative ilk will tell you that liberals are just as bad but it's simply not true. Liberals have a plethora of other faults, to be sure, but they aren't anywhere close to what the conservatives are going through at present. They aren't even in the same ballpark. While it's true that everyone is capable of psychosis, in the last few weeks, conservative pundits have collectively demonstrated new depth to the word "loony."
Rush Limbaugh, on his daily radio show last week, called Iraq and Afghan troops that have criticized the war, "phony troops." Leaping to his defense, fellow radio host
Melanie Morgan said, on Fox News, that soldiers like VoteVets.org Chairman Jon Soltz are part of the “soldiers who are fake, or who are embellishers, or who are posers.” Morgan then claimed that Soltz, who served honorably in both Kosovo and Iraq, has a “far left, anti-America agenda” and that he “undermine[s] the real mission of our troops, our heroes who are out there”I have two words for you Melanie: FUCK and YOU.
The day you get shot at, truck bombed, or have shrapnel removed from your head is the day you can speak with any kind of authority of what constitutes a loyal solider. The same could be said to Rush, who the last time I checked, received a deferment in Vietnam because he had an anal cyst. And people think that these two individuals are accurate judges of what is patriotic and what is not? What a joke....
I challenge anyone here to find a liberal, as well known as Limbaugh and Morgan, who has called combat troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan "phony" or "Anti-American." Where do Bushies come up with this shit? Oh yes, that's right....THEIR INSANELY WARPED MINDS!
Another shining example of this is Michele Malkin who, when commenting on Sally Field's statement at the Emmys that if "women ran things there would be no war," declared that Ms. Field is, obviously, the "type of mom who buys her kids liquor, condoms, and a hotel room on prom night rather than suiting up and doing battle."
Uh.....what?
Maybe it's the fact that they can see their support slipping away like granules of sand through their fingers. Or maybe they just can't get out of that "tap into my inner, delusional rage..make something up...and right it down as fact" loop of insanity. Clearly, these people aren't thinking rationally. But how did they get here? Where did they insanity begin?
I say it began with OJ.Laugh all you want but I think that when OJ Simpson was found innocent of a crime he clearly committed, I believe that certain powerful folks, of the conservative persuasion, saw a golden opportunity. I speculate they realized that they could make up whatever they wanted, throw in some jingoistic lingo, tap into American paranoia and ignorance, and voila! Instant Mandate!
They sure have accomplished a lot, haven't they? They have lowered the level of civility in this country to the point of where we are now: calling US soldiers, who risk their lives for us everyday, "phonies" simply because they don't agree with their bizarre vision of patriotism. They have also given rise to groups like Moveon.org. The beef over the General Patreus ad made me laugh so hard I almost threw up. You see, this what you get, Bushies et al, when you lower the political discourse in this country to the mental and emotional level of a thirteen year old girl. You get liberal groups who say dumb ass shit that makes no sense. For every yin, there must be a yang...
So, I have to say that I quite literally can't take this anymore. Listening to any conservative pundit today on just about any topic is like listening a robot slowing breaking down...muttering unintelligible drivel. I've tried to listen...tried to be fair...but I just can't do it anymore. Would someone (or several someones) please slap these people in the face? You know, like in the 1940s when a woman would get too emotional and a man would have to bust them across the chops?
Maybe, just maybe, it will snap them out of their continually spiralling descent into delusion and cease to waste our time.
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You would not characterize Jesse Macbeth as a “phony soldier”? Macbeth was involved in a YouTube video, claiming to have received a purple heart in Iraq and describing how he and other army rangers killed innocent civilians at a Baghdad mosque. But it turns out that Macbeth was in the army for only six weeks, was discharged before completing basic training, and was never in Iraq. He even admitted to the fabrication in federal court and apologized for the defamation of the real troops. Sounds pretty phony to me. And since Rush puts most of his commentary online, perhaps you can provide a link to substantiate your claim?…
"when a woman would get too emotional and a man would have to bust them across the chops?"
This was an incredibly offensive comment...sexist to women and insulting to compare a woman's emotional psyche to right wing talk show hosts.
Dave,
Go to this link. There is a transcript and an audio clip you can play.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010
He was not talking about Jesse Macbeth. Listen to the way he talks to the first caller...accusing him of not being a Republican because he doesn't support the war. That is what I mean about the right wing pundits losing their minds..
These conservative pundits aren't delusional, Mark. They know exactly what they are doing. Many of them are just liars who are paid by very rich people to say these things. They will deny the truth, excoriate their "enemies" and never admit fault.
Conservative think tanks have carefully studied rhetoric and issued guidelines to fellow conservatives on how to make arguments so as to inflame opinion in their favor. (Babylon 5 made a humorous reference to this when Londo Molari told Vir how to write his reports.)
They do not believe in truth, justice or freedom. They believe only in securing the best advantage for themselves, the propagation of their own kind and the destruction of all others. They are tribal in the extreme.
They share social and personality characteristics with other conservatives such as the ayatollahs in Iran, the despots in Myanmar, the terrorists in Pakistan.
This did not start with OJ. It has gone on forever. Reagan did it against "welfare queens." Joe McCarthy did it in the 1950s. Many whites did it to blacks throughout the South. The Israelites did it to the Philistines.
And so it goes. And so it goes.
Exactly, blk. The similarities betweeen the ayatollahs in Iran and US conservatives are eeire. Hey, markadelphia, you should do a compare and contrast column on this!
Thank you, all. Following your thought process truly boggles the mind.
So much for building bridges across that divide...right back to the same old stuff. Your half hearted, feeble attempt to appear balanced by mentioning democrats doesn’t change the fact that the move-on.org ad was just as bad if not worse than anything Limbaugh said and that ad didn’t get a peep on this blog from you or any other lefty on here. I think you’re doing a bit of projecting here again. That conservatie O Reilly was all over his show last night talking about Code Pink vandalizing Marine recruiting headquarters in California and the San Francisco city board banning the United States Marines from simply filming a commercial in San Francisco. Yeah, what patriotism. Until you folks reign in those morons they will be the face of the anti-war left (and I suspect you know it).
I see you framed your question as "anyone who is as famous as" because I suspect you know the above 2 examples I stated are factual. Why didn’t any liberals throw a pie at Mahmoud when he was at Columbia University? According to this blog I learned that he "abuses the shit out of women". Ahhh war was so much easier when the Nazis were white.
The standard you hold for conservatives is "anyone who is as famous as" yet you yourself trump out some conservative named Melanie Morgan that noone has ever freakin heard of. Kind of like when both you and truthidiot called for Anonymous Joe to put his military qualifications up on this blog, then after he did you both said that is gave him some authority to say the things he had said. Then when he asked the both of you to post your stories of military experience to back up the things the both of you say on here the only thing heard on here was the crickets. Whoever this Melanie pundit is definitely is not the authority as to what constitutes a loyal soldier, but if you hold yourselves to the same standard as you hold Melanie then neither are you, which is why you feel the need to go after Limbaugh and Melanie Morgan on here. You obviously didn’t hold moveon to the same standard as you did Melanie. Typical.
"The day you get shot at, truck bombed, or have shrapnel removed from your head is the day you can speak with any kind of authority of what constitutes a loyal solider." That EXACT same sentence is what you could easily ask moveon.org when they questioned the patriotism (yes, that’s what they did) of the leader of our military. Keep projecting folks, keep projecting. Again, it wasn’t the ad with you...it was the conservative reaction to the ad. Don’t come on here now after this post and tell us "Well of course I condemn that ad" because your readers can see clear as day that you haven’t done so at all...you may "say" you do or you may only do so after called on the fact but the Limbaugh flap gets nearly a whole column from you yet the moveon ad doesn’t get a peep from any of you. You folks aren’t concerned with civility or bringing people together at all...politics is your religion and you use any tradegy, funeral, etc to further your politics.
There, now you have some Tuesday red meat to vent out some more of that frustration onto me. Let's hear it!!! Unite us more!!!!
Ummm…yes he was. If you looked at a little longer transcript (one not clipped for liberal talking points) you’d see that he immediately bridged into that topic…so even for those looking to take it out of context, it should be relatively clear.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/anatomy_of_a_smear/How_Long_Is_Too_Long_for_Victory.guest.html
"Until you folks reign in those morons"
Uh...no sir. Until YOU reign in your morons, who have loads more power than my morons, I am not going to do anything. The problem did not start with Moveon.Org. It started with the conservative movement of the last 10 or so years. Moveon and others are a reaction to the mountain level high bullshit that your side has been spewing.
The lefties did not divide this country...your side did. Now we get to deal with bullshit lies from everyone. And let's also remember that it was Bush's fault, not General Patreus's, which caused the environment for the Moveon ad.
Dave, I don't know what to tell you. If you think that Rush was talking only about Jesse Macbeth...well that's your point of view. I don't think he was...it's clear in how he reacted to the second Mike that called. Anye dissenters with Bush's war are not patriots. That's the party line. Remember what he said to the first caller..."You can't be a Republican if..."
Deal with the fact that your party has been hijacked by fascist lunatics.
Show me, gang bang, where the left has any sort of the same power that the right has. They don't. The right is in charge now and they get to set the rules of the game, which when you hear these people speak, it's borderline psychotic. The Fox News stories you cite as examples are typical of what blk talks about above. They present a distorted view of reality that is meant to get a reaction out of you.
How does it feel to be a lab rat?
Hey downtown, still waiting for you to post your health care plan from the last time I talked to you...or do you just spout of "Universal health care" without thinking about how to implement that plan? I see you chose the "shut up" option instead of the "nut up" option I gave you with regards to posting your plan for health care in this country which is why you only seem to post insults on this blog. I know, just come back with another insult or call me another name...that will validate everything you and Mark say.
You want to talk about biased sources like fox news stories? Regarding Marks above link, Media Matters is owned by Hillary Clinton. That is fact, not a fox news story.
Back to the column...regarding their "support slipping away like granules of sand", check the front page of the New York Times today...story on Democrats agreeing to go along with Republicans on overseas warrantless wiretapping. Yeah, looks like distress to me.
You won’t ever see me reigning in any morons because I have no desire to shape or reshape the political landscape of this country. It’s beyond repair and those of you who are trying to change it are wasting your time because you’re going to blink and 20 years will pass and it will be the same if not worse, just my opinion.
"And let's also remember that it was Bush's fault, not General Patreus's, which caused the environment for the Moveon ad."
So it’s not the ad, it’s the environment of the ad?
Lucky for conservative folk everywhere, I have a good memory. I invite all of you to do some environmental research and go back to the archives of this very blog to March of 2006 and check out the first column you will see called "Our new generation of traitors".
In your current column you say "I challenge anyone here to find a liberal, as well known as Limbaugh and Morgan, who has called combat troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan "phony" or "Anti-American."
I did find one liberal – you. Here’s your words from March of 06...you calling troops traitors...
"If Hillary Clinton is elected president, probably around half of our armed forces will think these same things. And you know what? If I were their commanding officers, they'd all be in their way to fucking Leavenworth for being TRAITORS!"
You now say "They have lowered the level of civility in this country to the point of where we are now: calling US soldiers, who risk their lives for us everyday, "phonies" simply because they don't agree with their bizarre vision of patriotism."
Funny how it seems to be perfectly ok for YOU to label soldiers who disagree with Hillary as "traitors". Agreeing with liberals is referred to as "thinking", but a troop disagreeing with a liberal can come to expect to see this..."He has been completely brainwashed, most effectively, by the ruling party of this country and their brain dead minions" and "which is the real reason why the douchebag above has a problem with her". (Marks words, not mine).
Don’t any of you bother to come on here and describe this change as "evolution of thought" either (barf). It’s called "projecting" and "trying to have it both ways".
The big cheese, the grand gondola is still this gem "The day you get shot at, truck bombed, or have shrapnel removed from your head is the day you can speak with any kind of authority of what constitutes a loyal solider."
Loyal readers, just go back to the March of 06 archives on this very blog to see Mark doing the exact same thing he is criticizing Rush and Melanie for doing...calling soldiers brainwashed, douchebag traitors.
If you re-read what I wrote, I said IF Hillary becomes president. She isn't yet, so therefore no troops have had done anything traiterous and thus I have not actually called any current troop a traitor.
But you did call him a brainwashed douchebag.
Well, what can I say; chalk it up to another case of the two of us looking at the very same thing and seeing something totally different. The fact that he moves directly, DIRECTLY, into the Macbeth case seems a pretty clear indication of what he was referring to and bridging the conversation toward and I can’t see how someone can see anything different unless they’re looking to manufacture a scandal where none exists. (But the donkey party has really brought that to a new art form, so I shouldn’t be surprised…)
One could debate the validity of him saying the guy’s not a Republican since one of the current Republican candidates is anti-war… But the majority of Republicans, and those in the military in particular, are more or less in favor of the War on Terror. The caller sounds like many callers who call in to such shows and pretend to be something they’re not. Maybe it’s a bit over the top to say what Rush did, but it’s certainly not something so significant as to bring it to the floor of the Senate.
...and…THERE SHE BLOWS!!! …the obligatory “fascist” insult. Who among us conservatives has not been called fascist by those trying to build bridges? It just goes with the territory. Those who do it are either malicious or ignorant, but probably a bit of both. Ordinarily, it does no good to try to reason with people who claim the moon is made of cheese, but every so often I must to respond.
For the record: Fascists are centralizers of power; we are de-centralizers. Fascists are nationalizers of industry; we are free-marketeers. Fascists are collectivists; we are anti-collectivists. Fascists do not allow dissent, we are an open party.
How amazingly odd that the party that wants to fight against Islamofascists, who waves the flag of universal human values & freedom, are called fascists. As I’ve said before, the liberal left is a destroyer of language. For what will they do when a real fascist comes along; there are no words left to describe him.
And if we’re going to hurl insults, should I reply w/ the obligatory “communist” retort? Fascism has nothing in common w/ the Conservative movement, but one need only look at the liberal talking points and/or take practically any speech from the leading Democrat leaders to see the authentic face of Lenin.
(Want examples? I've got oodles..)
Why is it that people in this culture have come to take huge offense at what people say? I saw the Moveon.org ad and thought that it was in bad taste and didn't give it a second thought. It was certainly no more offensive than ads that indicate that all people (or only quality people) should give Lexus' to their spouses for Christmas or Victoria's Secret ads full of partially dressed women. Someone at Moveon.org has a bug up their ass about the war...get in line. Instead of letting this roll over and be consigned to the dustbin of ads in poor taste, we have to have vote on the senate floor to insure that it will NEVER be forgotten. What a moronic move. I don't care who voted for it or against it. I have marginal respect for those who abstained from the vote for the simple reason that is a NON-ISSUE.
Along comes Rush Limbaugh who makes another comment in bad taste. Wow, just another comment in a long line of comments. Everyone gets their undies in a bunch...guess what...another NON-ISSUE. No one should give a flying fuck about what Rush Limbaugh says. We are all human beings with the potential to think for ourselves and evaluate the truth of any given statement. If there is anything to be said about the current discussion it is that:1) Rush can be criticized on many different issues, but perhaps the focus should be on "he who owns a glass house should not throw stones or "let he without sin throw the first stone and 2) The people of this country would be a lot happier if they stopped listening to morons who have made it their occupation to thrive under the umbrella of conservatism or liberalism. Everyone should work towards formulating their own opinions without the help of parasites like Rush Limbaugh.
IF you don't like what you are hearing, turn off the radio. If you do not like what you are seeing, turn off the tv. I hope to god that people wake up and see that we are being divided and conquered by political movements and economic opportunists in this country.
It is a rare day that johnwaxey and I are in agreement. Today is such a day.
"has not been called fascist by those trying to build bridges"
To be honest with you, dave, its pretty impossible to build bridges with some of the conservatives I know. They are completly beyond rationality. I have encountered liberals like this, true, but to me, anyway, they don't have near the voice, power, or wherewithall that our current right wing pundits and Bushies do.
This statement
"Fascists are centralizers of power; we are de-centralizers. Fascists are nationalizers of industry; we are free-marketeers. Fascists are collectivists; we are anti-collectivists. Fascists do not allow dissent, we are an open party."
is completely inaccurate. No one has done more to centralize power than Dick Cheney and George Bush. Free market? The current corporations in America have consolidated power, along with our current administration into an oligarchy.
And collectivism? The current line of your party is "you are either with us or agin us." Anyone who wavers from neocon dogma, such as Mike the caller, is a fraud or "not one of us."
Republicans USED to be an open party and all of the things you say. That is true. Now that the looneys have taken over, dissent is not allowed. Pro-choice? Nope. Homosexuals? Ask the Log Cabin Republicans how they feel. Heck, even fiscal conservatives like Bruce Bartless have been branded as traitors.
You know what, guys? Liberals did not start this fight. Conservatives did. Neocons have been bent out of shape ever since Clinton won twice and decided that they weren't going to go down without being heard.
What we are hearing are the ravings of insecure, ignorant lunatics who are more concerned with straw man enemies (like liberals) than protecting our country. John, you are going to have to excuse me if I disagree with you. We can't just "turn off" psychotics like Rush Limbaugh when they have this kind of power
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/18/one-big-happy-family/
Does anyone recall Bill Clinton inviting the "liberal" media to the White House for a roundtable like this one? To issue his marching orders on getting out "the word?"
These people are fascists, Dave. The group of people you see in this photo have a definite goal in mind and that is for all of us to think and do just as they dictate.
Vheights, thank you very much. I have been looking for this photo for awhile and have been unable to find it.
Now what to do with it......?
Now people are on here pissing about "Who started it"? What are you people, 6 year olds playing in a sandbox? Awww, you're such victims, boo hoo. Yes, you can just tune people out like John Waxey said. That "phony soldier" comment was NO BIG DEAL. Just like the moveon ad was NO BIG DEAL. As you can tell, I wasn't outraged by either one but Markadelphia all of a sudden showing outrage over Rush while at the same time himself calling soldiers currently serving "brainwashed douchebags" is extremely sad, hypocritical and done in poor taste. Seems like selective outrage to me. Several columns on here complain that conservatives and America in general are "uptight". Then liberals start in on how offended they are by words. Give it up, justifications aside we can see who the uptight ones are on here.
....tiring; oh so tiring.
OK, I give up. You're right, the moon IS made of swiss cheese. ...I'm going to go sulk in the corner w/ the other fascists now.
I hate to say this but I agree with Markadelphia on this one. My party has been taken over by power hungry irrationals. While I wouldn't place them in the same category as Hilter, they are authoritarian. That is not the Republican ideal.
What is really awful is that this probably means that Hillary will win and the Democrats will win more seats in the Senate. People will react against this terrible turn conservatives have taken and a great man like Rudy Giuliani will lose. If Hillary wins, and I am sick to my stomach just thinking about it, then we will all see how fascism is truly defined. We only have ourselves to blame.
Actually, iowa, this IS the party we have always wanted to be. Why you would ever want to vote for a gun grabbing, abortion loving buffoon like Giuliani is beyond me.
For too many years we have had to live with socialist slime running this country. We have had our turn and our country is much better for it.
Excuse me while I throw up in my mouth.
Do you ever get out, sarge and look at what's going on in our country?
Yeah, I do. And I see people like you trying to destroy it.
Yeah, that's me alright. Bringing the country down brick by brick. Talk about delusional...well, I guess markadelphia's point is spot on. People on the right are losing their minds. Imagine what they are going to do when Hillary wins in 08.
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