its only craptacular pork to those who possibly pray every day that he fails. dont c anyone calling 15 billion a month spent on iraq and afghanistan craptacular, going straight into nouveau rich iraqi elite bank accounts (all of whom are v close allies of iran, the latest election big winners,) & in afghanistan -- funneled into the drugs trade -- run by the president's brother. this would be the president who had weekly video chats with our former pres. let's not spend billion in the us on our peoples' needs for a change. because thats craptacular and unforgivable. joanne.
Actually, sw is right to a certain extent. I really don't know where I sit on the bill. I have mixed thoughts about it and think it will ultimately represent the first big mistake that President Obama makes.
but, give the new guy a chance. has he spectacularly failed? Leaving opponents' wishful thinking aside. . but, has he proved to be basing his vision or ideas on zip / nothing / purely negative ideas or results? Or is this an excellent fighting chance for saving american jobs and the economy's underlying fundamentals, so it may recover. I'm thinking more the latter.
This will not be solved overnight but it can be fixed faster rather than get worse much painfully slower -- existing problems are huge and need careful and sustained attention.
No one has put forward a better PLAN. Until or unless outright opponents of the bill put forward an alternative, and the ORIGINAL larger bill has been modified based on democratic input including criticism from Republicans which is good, from public pressure and the democratic camp has also taken this into account and modified its requests. So, i'll assume THEREs no better plan than the latest on the table.
In Politics individuals generally want to see the guy who isn't them, or in their party, fail. But thats not the wise attitude with this zero sum situation. If you hate it and live in Washington power corridors, offer your alternatives and solutions, lobby hard for your vision, be proactive and bi-partisan and if you still don't get their way, work openly and patiently with the other side to negotiate with and persuade them of the virtue of their thinking. Use the media to do that too. This is not a tunnel-visioned Administration: my way or the highway. This is an open-minded president and group of advisors. It's silly creating friction and bad feelings at the start. FIX IT, solve it, keep the lines open. I'm not judging failure -- because it hasn't happened. joanne.
Well, I do have to admit, I find it a bit ironic that Mr. Calm, Cool and Collected has turned up the rhetoric of crisis. I've said before I expect his greatest problems to come from the left of his own party. Seems he might even expect that given his courting of Republicans.
There is a better idea, if not a "plan" - let the economy work itself out. For heavens sakes, can't we learn from the Japanese failure at attempting to "soft-land" the economy after the burst of a real estate bubble? Let's just take our lumps, and in particular, I'll take mine and people who invested/borrowed less wisely can take theirs.
u know j, like i said (somewhere,) a person should be open to the best ideas and solutions, that's why i'm not AGAINST the bill, thinking a lot of it makes sense. But its also scary, all this throwing money at genuine problems.
what you said above reminds me of two things. 1 is an article i read today talking about how rushing the wrong solutions through, could be worse that the very bad. i'll find the link.
another thing you reminded me of was,when i was sitting on a plane late 2007, from somewhere in the gulf to somewhere in the mideast, anyway a really nice guy in his 50s/60s whatever, sat next to me, we were sandwiched in threes, i got the crappy middle seat because i wasn't even gonna get on they screwed up my ticket and told me i didn't exist on the computer, so it was one of those boarding experienced, the flight was packed, he heard me tell someone i think sarcastically not to crush my laptop in the overhead bin, or to hand it to me, so he was from the states too and started talking, he was in construction -- building gigantic (like silly gigantic) skyscrapers for the gulf-arab market. he chatted about bush and buildings and one of his kids was in iraq, anyway... he took out drawings from his briefcase, when i wouldn't believe what he was working on, apparently one of the countries was asking for bids for a ONE mile HIGH building, thats a kilometre and a half tall -- i said thats insane, it's going to collapse or be blown up by someone, he laughed and said : 'yeah, isn't it crazy? we can do it but it's a bad idea. but, thats what they want...' he made the obvious reference to how a tall building == mega prestige.
so, he also said at one point: sometimes the best thing to do when faced with a problem is nothing at all. it struck me. because i had a problem and took his advice and it worked. He was referring to much bigger things, not to my problem which he didn't even know about. but sometimes in crises, to be calm (even when you're going nutso) and do nothing can be the best course of action. i'm not saying that it's the case with the economy right now, but your japan parallel is pretty cool, because what our economy needs, as pl mentioned, is really thought through laser-guided (or laser-targeted) stimulus or solutions -- and i actually think that some of the measures i've read about ARE very thought through. But others are icing on the cake to keep everyone on board. you made me think, and reminded me of what this hard-working, bright construction leader (from texas!) on a plane was talking about too. [ if i find the link i'll post it. ] joanne.
A school, natch. It's so refreshing to have a president that relaxes by hanging out a school...the place where the future begins.
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i guess you dont have any thoughts on the craptacular pork bill your guy is trying to sell. ur weak
its only craptacular pork to those who possibly pray every day that he fails. dont c anyone calling 15 billion a month spent on iraq and afghanistan craptacular, going straight into nouveau rich iraqi elite bank accounts (all of whom are v close allies of iran, the latest election big winners,) & in afghanistan -- funneled into the drugs trade -- run by the president's brother. this would be the president who had weekly video chats with our former pres. let's not spend billion in the us on our peoples' needs for a change. because thats craptacular and unforgivable. joanne.
Actually, sw is right to a certain extent. I really don't know where I sit on the bill. I have mixed thoughts about it and think it will ultimately represent the first big mistake that President Obama makes.
J - making one mistake is bad enough, but using it to justify another is foolish indeed.
I'm more then happy to condemn both of 'em.
okay J. . .
but, give the new guy a chance. has he spectacularly failed? Leaving opponents' wishful thinking aside. . but, has he proved to be basing his vision or ideas on zip / nothing / purely negative ideas or results? Or is this an excellent fighting chance for saving american jobs and the economy's underlying fundamentals, so it may recover. I'm thinking more the latter.
This will not be solved overnight but it can be fixed faster rather than get worse much painfully slower -- existing problems are huge and need careful and sustained attention.
No one has put forward a better PLAN. Until or unless outright opponents of the bill put forward an alternative, and the ORIGINAL larger bill has been modified based on democratic input including criticism from Republicans which is good, from public pressure and the democratic camp has also taken this into account and modified its requests. So, i'll assume THEREs no better plan than the latest on the table.
In Politics individuals generally want to see the guy who isn't them, or in their party, fail. But thats not the wise attitude with this zero sum situation. If you hate it and live in Washington power corridors, offer your alternatives and solutions, lobby hard for your vision, be proactive and bi-partisan and if you still don't get their way, work openly and patiently with the other side to negotiate with and persuade them of the virtue of their thinking. Use the media to do that too. This is not a tunnel-visioned Administration: my way or the highway. This is an open-minded president and group of advisors. It's silly creating friction and bad feelings at the start. FIX IT, solve it, keep the lines open. I'm not judging failure -- because it hasn't happened. joanne.
Well, I do have to admit, I find it a bit ironic that Mr. Calm, Cool and Collected has turned up the rhetoric of crisis. I've said before I expect his greatest problems to come from the left of his own party. Seems he might even expect that given his courting of Republicans.
There is a better idea, if not a "plan" - let the economy work itself out. For heavens sakes, can't we learn from the Japanese failure at attempting to "soft-land" the economy after the burst of a real estate bubble? Let's just take our lumps, and in particular, I'll take mine and people who invested/borrowed less wisely can take theirs.
u know j, like i said (somewhere,) a person should be open to the best ideas and solutions, that's why i'm not AGAINST the bill, thinking a lot of it makes sense. But its also scary, all this throwing money at genuine problems.
what you said above reminds me of two things. 1 is an article i read today talking about how rushing the wrong solutions through, could be worse that the very bad. i'll find the link.
another thing you reminded me of was,when i was sitting on a plane late 2007, from somewhere in the gulf to somewhere in the mideast, anyway a really nice guy in his 50s/60s whatever, sat next to me, we were sandwiched in threes, i got the crappy middle seat because i wasn't even gonna get on they screwed up my ticket and told me i didn't exist on the computer, so it was one of those boarding experienced, the flight was packed, he heard me tell someone i think sarcastically not to crush my laptop in the overhead bin, or to hand it to me, so he was from the states too and started talking, he was in construction -- building gigantic (like silly gigantic) skyscrapers for the gulf-arab market. he chatted about bush and buildings and one of his kids was in iraq, anyway... he took out drawings from his briefcase, when i wouldn't believe what he was working on, apparently one of the countries was asking for bids for a ONE mile HIGH building, thats a kilometre and a half tall -- i said thats insane, it's going to collapse or be blown up by someone, he laughed and said : 'yeah, isn't it crazy? we can do it but it's a bad idea. but, thats what they want...' he made the obvious reference to how a tall building == mega prestige.
so, he also said at one point: sometimes the best thing to do when faced with a problem is nothing at all. it struck me. because i had a problem and took his advice and it worked. He was referring to much bigger things, not to my problem which he didn't even know about. but sometimes in crises, to be calm (even when you're going nutso) and do nothing can be the best course of action. i'm not saying that it's the case with the economy right now, but your japan parallel is pretty cool, because what our economy needs, as pl mentioned, is really thought through laser-guided (or laser-targeted) stimulus or solutions -- and i actually think that some of the measures i've read about ARE very thought through. But others are icing on the cake to keep everyone on board. you made me think, and reminded me of what this hard-working, bright construction leader (from texas!) on a plane was talking about too. [ if i find the link i'll post it. ] joanne.
But its also scary, all this throwing money at genuine problems.
So, if I come stand on your front porch, will you throw money at me?
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