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Tuesday, July 21, 2009

Wait....

I wonder how long it will take right wing pundits to blow a bowel over this one.

I haven't checked Michelle Malkin's blog today but this story seems a sure fire bet for intestinal colon overload on her part. What I can't figure out is why would conservatives...and I know they will...side with the police on this one? Other than the fact that they love to play "make believe that we aren't racist" and then condescendingly smirk about it, the guy was in his own fucking home.

Wouldn't that constitute an intrusion by the state into a citizen's private domain?

I'll be here waiting for yet another example of

"It's not _____ when we do it!"

34 comments:

Last in line said...

So you don’t have any questions for Lucia Whalen, the lady who actually called the police…no questions for the officer who responded to the call...you have accusations against conservative bloggers for whatever "side" they will probably, maybe take?

Did you choose a "side" or is it the other guys who always choose a "side"? You must be exhausted at all the uniting of the country you do on here.

When I read about it, I didn’t choose a side because I wasn’t there and I don’t presume to know the politics of the arresting officer or the woman who made the original phone call. The wall street journal reported that Mr. Gates, upon not being able to open the front door, entered through the back door and went up to pull on the front door while the limo driver pushed on the front door from the outside with his shoulder. A strange car in front of the house (a limo) and an unidentified man (the limo driver) ramming the front door with his shoulder...I would have probably called the police too and I don’t care what skin color my neighbors, or the guy ramming the door, happen to be. I guess I don’t consider that racism, I consider it being a good neighbor and I hope my neighbors would do the same for me. According to the police report, the responding officer said he saw a man, later identified as Mr. Gates, in the home's foyer. The officer said he wanted to speak with Mr. Gates about a suspected break-in and the professor replied, "Why, because I'm a black man in America?"

No doubt there are 2 views at play when it comes to policemen. Myself, I think being a police officer is a pretty tough job that requires a lot of patience and instinct. Are there some bad police who let their power go to their head? Sure. Maybe the responding officer could have handled the situation a little better. Maybe the professor could have reacted to the situation a little better. There are so many what’ifs here so I’ll take a side since that’s what united people do – they take a side...if I was the neighbor I would have called the police also...if I was the responding officer I would have called off the investigation when Mr. Gates provided me legal ID with his picture on it proving that he lived at that address and since I am a homeowner, I know that if an officer is investigating a reported crime on my property...I will probably be detained until they resolve the situation.

I tried putting myself in the officers shoes here and I can't help but wonder how the folks on "your side" would react if your house were being robbed, someone reported it, and the police accepted "It's OK, I live here" from the people standing in your living room when they showed up.

Democrat US Rep. Carolyn Maloney recently used a certain n-word, and Sharpton got an apology from her. But never mind that - lets focus on those conservative bloggers!!!!

To anyone who will predictably respond to me with an insult, tell us what you would have done if you were the neighbor, the 911 dispatcher and if you were the responding officer. Remember, hindsight is easy.

dick nixon said...

Last time I checked, this is Markadelphia's blog and he can write about whatever the fuck he wants from whatever angle he wants. Just like you can comment about whatever you want which is pretty much always ripping Mark for the way he comments on something. Why do you care? I don't think he has ever ripped you for how you comment which is pretty one note if you ask me.

Oh, and don't make me laugh by trying to make Markadelphia or anyone else on the left to be anti-uniting. The problem, and it's self stated, is on the right, not the left. They are the ones who say its our way or fuck you. We have our own set of problems but not being inclusive ain't one of them.

Plus you didn't even answer his question!

Last in line said...

OK Dick, let's debate health care. The last 2 keyboard cowboys on here that tried it didn't have much luck and left the room.

I never said Mark couldn't type what he typed. Pipe down. Yep, there is only 1 side...like an academic shouting RACISM the moment a policeman asks him a question. 1 sided like that you mean? Keep screaming racism, it's sooooooo uniting. Hell, just read the comments below the article Mark linked to...even the posters there are 50/50.

Why should I jot down why someone else would take a "side" when neither you or Mark even bothered to put any of your own thoughts on the case? Until you put down your position then the smell in the air is chickenshit.

Is the question you are referring to "Wouldn't that constitute an intrusion by the state into a citizen's private domain?"? I am not an expert on law enforcement but I did ride the ambulance for a year in Illinois and we worked side by side with law enforcement on every single call we went on. My uninformed guess to the above question would be NO because that's what the police do when their tones go off and they high-tail it to the scene. When the police get a burglary call, they usually go into the place where the burglars are suspected of being. It's pretty easy for a career criminal to make a fake ID with his picture on it as well as the address he is about to burglarize. If the policeman detained him until he found out EXACTLY what was going on then I support the policeman IN THAT SITUATION one hundred percent. He got a call that a burglary was in process, that's all he knew up to that point. Bitch of it is, if the police DIDN'T show up that would be racism too wouldn't it? Your arguments are rock solid. I'm impressed, congrats.

rld said...

It wasn't his house Markadelphia, he leased it from the university. Tenants move frequently in houses near colleges. Who is "we" anyway? Have you really already concluded that the female neighbor and the officer who showed up on the scene are racist? If so, how did you conclude that? Details please.

jeff c. said...

I don't think Mark has to "conclude" anything. He simply pointed out the bullshit of the right. They bemoan government intrusion but when the circumstances are like this one, they always seem to take the side of the state which, in this case, is the police. Typical hypocrisy and he got it right on.

Next I'm sure they will be yelling about Al Sharpton.

juris imprudent said...

Cambridge FUCKING Massachusetts and Mark has the chutzpah to bring up the RIGHT WING?

What a broken record.

No doubt 20 years from now M will still howl incessantly (and incoherently) about how the Right was responsible for every failure of the Obama administration.

6Kings said...

"He simply pointed out the bullshit of the right."

What? You got that from the article and Mark's seriously uneducated guess that the right is going to pick a side with no data to back it up? Seems par for the course.

How about this....let them sort it out and get the facts out. My guess is that egos got in the way and it escalated past where it should have. If the Police were wrong, they were wrong.

There is no political side to this as much as many are trying to make it one.

Last in line said...

Exactly Juris. It doesn't get much bluer than that area.

Sweet - another chickenshit with no position of his own on the subject responded. He didn't point out anything jeffy (just like you). A local Police department investigating a burglary call is now government intrusion?

It isn't taking the side of the state, it's realizing that there are normal procedures that emergency personnel follow but none of you seem interested in those. Nope, political agendas trump all (that is the case when politics is your religion) and all the blatherings I have read thus far are dripping with ignorance of what happens when emergency personnel arrive at a scene they have been called to.

During my hundred or so ambulance calls, our tones would go off and our dispatcher would give us a brief description of the reason 911 was called. The address was given and we were off to the scene. When we arrived at 833 10th Street, the elderly spouse of the patient in need wouldn't be out in the front lawn, they would be in the house next to their loved one. We put our gear on the gurney and head straight in the front door of the residence, strapped the oxygen mask on the elderly patient having chest pains, gave them some nitro and brought them to the hospital with the ambulance lights off (90% of the time when an ambulance is going back to the hospital, the lights and sirens are turned off...don't want to foster a sense of panic in the patient).

So are some of you telling me that every time I did that, I was breaking the law? Every day when that happens in this country...a crime is being committed? I was entering a citizens private domain after all and I was an agent of the state of Illinois...my certification said so.

Adam said...

LiL, truly, I do not know why you bother. I tried. I really did. Mark whined and bitched that it wasn't his argument that were at stake, but the plurality against him.

So I wandered over here (you don't get much more of an idiot/liberal blog than here) and argued against the statements.

That was at the beginning of this month. No responses yet. Not by Mark, and not by any of the chickenshits who keep talking about right-wing "group think." It's the same thing I observe for this particular group at TSM, and every other blog I've ever wandered through. It's the same thing I observed in ten years of arguing in forums, debate clubs, and other such venues - people with massive philosophical inconsistencies won't and cannot back up their statements.

The funny thing is, Mark is a beautiful example of the very things he bitches about. He takes a position and automatically relegates anyone who disagrees with it into the group of "the other team." We've been beating his head for probably more than a year at TSM and he *still* hasn't figured out that we have about as much in common with the Republican party as he does.

Mark, I'll reiterate this point since you don't seem to get it:

It does not make a damn difference how many people are arguing against you or with you. Only your arguments themselves matter. A well-reasoned, well-articulated argument grounded in rationality does not fall apart simply because of the number of people who don't like it.

And, again, I reference you to Mr. Beck - this is a guy who has argued with pretty much everyone at TSM on his own and came out with all of our asses in a handbag.

Adam said...

Actually, Mark has more of a record for not backing up his bullshit than I thought. I was just going back to his April 2005 archives and, lo and behold in his own comments, are arguments placed against his crap which he didn't bother with.

So much for any scrap of intellectual honesty.

Strangely, for a guy who goes on and on about the hatred, fear, and paranoia of the right, I can't think of another blog off the top of my head which extols so much vitriol toward about half the population. Maybe Beck's, but his position is justified given his worldview.

Mark, you're one hateful shit.

Mark Ward said...

Adam, first of all many of your complaints regarding my blog can be summed up by the fact that I simply don't have the readership that other blogs do. I rarely top out at 200 and it's usually down in the 100s. And people just don't comment here and when they do, they don't follow through with threads. It's extremely frustrating and I have tried to change it but no one listens.

That being said, the friends that I know that do post here don't follow through because they don't see the point. Many feel that the conservatives who post here are brainwashed and there is no point to a "A well-reasoned, well-articulated argument grounded in rationality" because there isn't much rationality on the right these days. Believe it or not, this makes me sad. And I don't go quite so far as many of my left wing friends.

Now, in regards to this post...check out this link...

http://wcco.com/crime/deputy.kills.man.2.1094358.html

I have had three conservative friends come up to me and tell me the cop was in the right. These same three and one other have told me the Cambridge police were also in the right. My original question stands...

Why do conservatives invariably side with police (the state) on matters such as this?

It makes no sense to me.

juris imprudent said...

M, why do I doubt the veracity that 1) you have three conservative friends (particularly if you speak to their faces as you do online about conservatives), and 2) that they all expressed EXACTLY the same opinion.

I don't know a single conservative that thinks blacks should just know their place. But I do know people, regardless of being left or right, that realize it isn't a brilliant strategy to scream at a cop no matter how wrong that cop is at the time.

As you say, it makes no sense to me.

6Kings said...

No shit, J. The only "conservatives" Mark ever talks to toe the line on the left's stereotypical version of a conservative he likes to rant against. Almost as if he makes them up just to have something to write about. Weird.

last in line is Breakin the law said...

I did have the pleasure of seeing Judas Priest in concert a couple weeks ago and the metal gods played Breaking the Law for us. Since all emergency personnel (fire departments, paramedics, policemen, etc) who enter homes they have been called to are now lawbreakers, I feel now that they played that song just for me. A relative of one of our coworkers at the hospital, who we performed CPR on, was alone in his home when he called us. We rushed to the scene along with the police as the dispatcher said he stopped talking to her mid-sentence. I now feel we should have just kept knocking on the front door till someone answered. We really shouldn't have gone in there...it would have been considered an intrusion into someones private domain and I really wouldn't want anything bad to happen to him like emergency personnel violating his constitutional rights to privacy. Makes sooooo much sense to me now.

One unifying characteristic of liberals is that they view all members of society as members of a group based on their differences, not as individuals who have their own individual opinions.

Going back to the case at hand, what if a newly separated husband decided to violate his newly issued restraining order and enter the home he used to live in while his ex wife is at work to wait for her when she arrives home. Police show up and he has a drivers license that shows that address as his residence and there may even be family pictures of him on the wall. Guess the police should leave right away without any questions whatsoever.

I should stop giving real world examples, I'm brainwashed and I wouldn't want any of you liberals here to lower yourselves to have to talk to me. None of you have to "conclude" anything, just keep ignoring all the "what if's" that emergency personnel deal with every day.

If any of you over educated, brilliant liberals on here still think that emergency personnel entering a residence they have been called to is a violation of the law, then I have a very good idea of what you consider "A well-reasoned, well-articulated argument grounded in rationality", then I'm not impressed.

Adam said...

"I simply don't have the readership that other blogs do."

Ok... so you have friends or readers that seem to regularly agree with you, but they can't be bothered to respond beyond that. And neither can you. I don't know about you, but if someone came to my blog and commented that I was full of shit, I think I'd want to at least respond so that any passer-by at least gets a counter-argument. Then again, that would not be consistent with your behavior elsewhere.

"And people just don't comment here and when they do, they don't follow through with threads."

Seems like those defending your position don't follow through. Of the limited amount I've seen, it's your perspective that doesn't continue an argument and just lets it... stale.

"It's extremely frustrating and I have tried to change it but no one listens."

I don't know what to say to this. It's strange.

"...Many feel that the conservatives who post here are brainwashed..."

Yes, because the "I'm right and you're dumb if you disagree" argument is absolutely central to a rational person... heh.

"And I don't go quite so far as many of my left wing friends. "

That's not altogether surprising. You do seem to have the occasional burst of rationality, but then you go off and group everyone with a slight divergence of opinion in to the "right-wing" camp, say something fuckheadedly ignorant and hateful, then refuse to back it up in any way.

6Kings, I've gotten the same impression. I don't know how Mark says he has "conservative" friends with the way he describes conservatives. Maybe I just got out of the relativist bullshit that all opinions are equally valid regardless of evidence or rationality, but I think if I had a friend who regularly compared people with my beliefs to Al Qaeda, thought every principle I held was absolutely stupid, and relegated my entire arguments into "brainwashed" and a willing ignorance I'd lose that friend pretty quickly. Actually, no. I think if I knew anyone on any kind of personal basis who treated me that way, I'd break his nose for being such a hateful, vindictive ass.

(continued)

Adam said...

"Why do conservatives invariably side with police (the state) on matters such as this?"

Mark, can you even identify what "matters such as this" are? Is it any time a claim of racism is made or something else?

The fact is, my statements stand. Your followers / friends here (the non-conservative, hopefully-imaginary ones you don't treat like shit, I mean) don't back up their statements, seem to say incredibly stupid things (the "Sarah Palin is a moron 'cause I say so" argument comes to mind again), and then can't be bothered to follow up. Not follow up in any meaningful way - they don't follow up at all.

And, sadly, this is consistent with your behavior at TSM. I've told you before, and it's sad that I have to keep reiterating it, but an argument stands as itself. Can you show me a single case where something you have stated in opposition to someone's views at TSM was not responded to and reasonably dealt with (particularly in terms of DJ or Unix)?

You have made a habit - almost a compulsive obsession - of making statements, refusing to back them up, and now claiming that you have no intellectual obligation to do so, either because we're all brainwashed anyway (funny, I've had longer and more meaningful discussions with young-Earth creationists) or because your view is apparently the minority. The saddest thing there is that Kevin's blog is named "the Smallest Minority" and refers to the individual. You openly whined that your intellectual ass-whippings were strictly a result of the plurality against you, yet offered to counter-argument to anyone's statements of being able to stand on their own (or just getting banned) on liberal blogs.

And yet, here I am, on YOUR blog (and you are pretty decidedly liberal, no?), and neither you nor your friends will back up your statements.

That, Mark, is what honestly pisses me off about you. You do not admit error, you do not consider opposing arguments - you just avoid them and disappear. Your actions have been described down to clockwork. You are not an intellectually honest person.

I think this will probably be my last post here, though. I forayed here, I made arguments (hell, I didn't even have to made counter-arguments - just asking for evidence makes these people disappear), and they were ignored or avoided. I honestly - briefly - believed that maybe you really just felt intimidated at the number of arguments against you at TSM, but your unwillingness to deal with even a single opposing voice on your own blog makes your situation evident.

juris imprudent said...

Oh sweet Jesus on a pogo stick, this whole case gets EVEN BETTER. The cop in question was the state's instructor on [the perils of] racial profiling! Highly regarded by the [black] head of the state police academy.

As each Massachusetts politician lines up to bow and grovel ever more obsequiously to the aggrieved Mr. Gates, the only one who isn't apologizing is the officer in question.

And, all the high dudgeon isn't on a libertarian, let alone a conservative blog - it is on a LIBERAL's blog!

I won't need an irony supplement for weeks.

Thank you M, this is just the bestest.

Mark Ward said...

Juris, actually I have more conservative friends than liberal ones and, sadly, they all express the same opinion right after Rush et al do.

In addition, the policeman in question has admitted that he established that Mr. Gates was the homeowner but arrested him because he was belligerent. So, again, I ask you...why do conservatives mostly side with the law in cases when the state is intruding on someone's home.

Last, I would be interested in your opinion now that the police officer has explained his side of the story which is virtually the same as Mr. Gates.

"if I had a friend who regularly compared people with my beliefs to Al Qaeda"

What's funny about this is that I wasn't even the first one to say it. The first person that I know that said it was Paul Hackett, Iraq War vet and former Congressional candidate in Ohio. He said in 2006. And here we are in 2009 and we have yet another fight going on over "In God We Trust."

Nope. Not like Al Qaeda at all.

"Can you show me a single case where something you have stated in opposition to someone's views at TSM was not responded to and reasonably dealt with?"

They pick and choose what they respond to. In my comparison to Al Qaeda argument, they did not even address Yosemite Sam's comment regarding Brian DePalma and the tarring and feathering in the town square deal. Kevin made an aside about it in a post but no one else responded. Guess what? I don't care. I'm not over the top hypersensitive to people who don't respond. Or respond with 10 page fucking essays.

I am, however, frustrated by the lack of responsiveness here but I attribute that to low readership and people not caring as much about blogging as they do over at TSM.

"And yet, here I am, on YOUR blog"

Perhaps a bad blog to pick to prove my point about being the lone voice in a liberal stronghold. I just don't have the readership that Kevin does. Now, if you found a comparable liberal blog (site traffic wise) then I'll be happy to follow you there and see what happens.

And I do admit when I am wrong. I do it all the time here and on Kevin's blog. I just don't admit about things you desire me to admit it about. For example, I do admit that, thus far, I was wrong in thinking that President Obama would be pursuing a radically different policy than President Bush (ne: Nixon in Vietnam) in AfPak. He is letting proxy troops fight a war that they can't or won't win. I am hopeful that will change but I don't see bin Laden and Zawahari neutralized yet so I am still fucking pissed. And I was wrong. (notice the world didn't end when, unlike the conservative base, I admitted I was wrong.)

However, I don't admit that I am wrong about much of the conservative base being like Al Qaeda. They are religious fervents who think (essentially) that the earth is flat and we all live in Civil War times. Honestly, I don't want it to be true because I'd like to see the Republican Party hang around. They seem to want to do everything the can to be shown to a rubber room.

Last in line said...

You aren't interested in my opinion. Your still asking me questions about my opinion when I have already given it. I support any police officer detaining people at potential crime scenes until all facts are known. As far as being arrested...he was arrested for disorderly conduct because he was yelling at the responding police officers. There are plenty of behaviors that fall under the category of disorderly conduct and if you yell at, cuss at, and berate a police officer who has warned you to knock it off so they can do their job, they are probably going to arrest you for disorderly conduct.

Apparently I haven't produced enough What If's...what if the police respond to a house for a reported break in, finds someone there, and doesn't get identification from the person...the cop will be sued immediately for incompetence.

I also thought I made it clear that police and paramedics entering a residence they have been called to is not an intrusion by the government. That invalidates your entire point but you and jeffy don't seem to care about that because you have a political agenda and you obviously don't want to concede that point to me.

The cop patrolling the streets of your town is not an elected official...and not one liberal on this blog has commented on the behavior of Mr. Gates. Those 2 things are measurable facts. You simply can't measure "They are religious fervents" and "they think that the earth is flat" because those are just your subjective opinion (here is where you veer the conversation off somewhere else to get the subject off of the realities of emergency personnel responding to calls).

Your local policeman is not an elected official and local police responding to the scene of a reported break in is not racist or facist. The 1 line insult crew can't refute that point so, well, they "just don't care".

vic said...

And when the president says the police acted “stupidly” he speaks without the facts of the case and is more right that he thinks: If someone were to call a policeman in Cambridge to investigate a possible entry by two African-American looking suspects into the home of the country’s leading emblem of racial theory and grievance, the officer would be entering a cultural minefield from which he might not escape unscathed: come too late to Professor Gates’s home: racist; come not at all to Professor Gates’s home: racist; come to Professor Gates’s home: racist.

Mark Ward said...

"because you have a political agenda"

No, I don't. In addition to being racial issue, this is an issue of a man's (or a woman's) castle. If Kevin Baker has produced identification that he, in fact, lived at a house the police were investigating and then became "disorderly," he would championed as a man defending his property from invasion by the state. This is the double standard I am talking about and I think it is bullshit.

It's not just because Gates was black. It's because he is "commie liberal" professor. He's the poster child for roiling up the base which is exactly what is happening right now.

Mark Ward said...

Except, Vic, they did act stupidly and I don't think President Obama has anything to apologize for. Crowley has already admitted that he established that Gates lived there but he arrested him anyway. I'll give you that it may not have been racially motivated but it sure as fuck was motivated by the power of the state to wave his dick around.

last in line said...

"Crowley has already admitted that he established that Gates lived there but he arrested him anyway"

??

He didn't arrest him for the burglary, he arrested him for disorderly conduct (there is a difference). Are you now saying that police can only arrest someone for disorderly conduct if they are not in their home? I don't care what color your skin is...you act like your educated buddy did toward the police, you are going to be arrested for disorderly conduct.

1. I have a hunch that Kevin Baker would not start yelling at police officers who are responding to a call. Just a hunch. Kevin can answer that himself though. I know I wouldn't. I also know that there is no situation you will ever encounter where losing your temper will make it better.

2. If Kevin Baker treats the police like Gates treated those police, then Kevin Baker should be arrested and jailed for disorderly conduct. No double standard here, none whatsoever.

You really haven't been reading much of what has been said to you about this case.

I'll repeat it.

1. Emergency personnel entering a residence they have been called to is not an intrusion by the government. That invalidates your entire point.

2. Your local policeman is not an elected official and local police responding to the scene of a reported break in is not racist or facist.

3. You haven't "called" anyone on "their" bullshit, you have been called on yours. And just this morning, someone on "your side" left a comment in an above thread about conservatives never admitting they are wrong. I got an irony supplement now too!

4. Emergency personnel entering a residence they have been called to is not an intrusion by the government.

5. Your local policeman is not an elected official and local police responding to the scene of a reported break in is not racist or facist.

6. Emergency personnel entering a residence they have been called to is not an intrusion by the government.

7. Your local policeman is not an elected official and local police responding to the scene of a reported break in is not racist or facist.

juris imprudent said...

I'll give you that it may not have been racially motivated but it sure as fuck was motivated by the power of the state to wave his dick around.

M stumbles across a clue, but will no doubt quickly pick himself up [furtively look around while he dusts off] and carry on as before.

Mark Ward said...

"Are you now saying that police can only arrest someone for disorderly conduct if they are not in their home? "

No, but the reason he went into his home was because he thought Gates and his cab driver were trying to rob the place. Basically, Gates was verbally berated in his own home and then arrested because he objected to that.

So, let me see if I got this straight. This same situation happens to you...you are accused of breaking into your own home, you establish that you live there, and then the cop keeps harassing you and that's just fine with you?

It doesn't matter whether or not he is an elected official. The police are commanded by elected officials. If you don't pay your taxes, the police will come to your house and arrest you. Does that mean that they aren't acting in the interest of the state?

Again, the drumbeat I have heard time and again from the right (and I agree) is that a person's home is their castle and the state should not have a right to intrude upon it without probable cause. There was cause when the police thought there were intruders. Once it was established that Gates lived there, they should've just left. But they didn't and thus, were intruding on private property.

You can't have it both ways. Wait...what am I saying? Of course you can:)

juris imprudent said...

So, let me see if I got this straight.

Stop teasing M, you know that the state is never wrong and only corporations abuse people's rights.

After all, that's why we need govt-run healthcare.

last in line said...

Again, he wasn't arrested for the break in...he was arrested for all the yelling and screaming he did while the police were trying to investigate the alleged break in.

Separate things.

!! said...

"I'll give you the fact that it may not have been racially motivated"

Thanks for that.

Sincerely,
the Duke Lacrosse Team

sw said...

"because you have a political agenda" "No, I don't."

"What I can't figure out is why would conservatives..."
"Other than the fact that they love to play "make believe that we aren't racist" and then condescendingly smirk about it,"
"conservatives who post here are brainwashed"
"there isn't much rationality on the right these days."
"Why do conservatives invariably side with police"
"I don't admit that I am wrong about much of the conservative base being like Al Qaeda. They are religious fervents"

yeah you have no political agenda. none at all right?

the iowa kid said...

I take that as Mark being frustrated. I'm a conservative and I still can't believe the crap my party says on a daily basis. What's worse is the Democrats then get more leverage and spend their way into this country's oblivion. When are we going to wake up?

Colin Powell on Larry King Live said...

“I would say, the first teaching point is when you’re faced with an officer trying to do his job and get to the bottom of something. This is not the time to get in an argument with him. I was taught that as a child. You don’t argue with a police officer. In fact, in our schools today, in order to make sure that we don’t have things escalate out of control and lead to very unfortunate situations, we tell our kids, when you’re being asked something by a police officer, being detained by a police officer, cooperate. If you don’t like what happened, or if you think that you have been exposed to something that’s racist or prejudicial or something that’s wrong, then you make a complaint afterwards and you sue him.”

haha

ed said...

I saw that interview. I think everything he said was right on the money. I wish he was back in public service again.

Kevin said...

Gates was acting like an ass. His behavior, however, was NOT illegal. Crowley hooked him up and stuck him with BS charges for the offense of "contempt of cop". I highly doubt racism was a factor in this - I believe it was a petty tyrant with hurt feelings ruining the guys day, simply because he could. I think I would have been arrested had I behaved as Gates did, because cops have an expectation of deference from the ones they "serve". The fault lays with the cop - he's supposed to be the professional.

Mark Ward said...

Thank you!

The above comment was exactly the response I would expect a true conservative to have and I agree that race was not an issue in the incident itself.

It has, however, become an issue since.