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Monday, July 16, 2007

Above All Else....Hope

The last couple of weeks, on this blog, have been kinda depressing to me. We have such a wide range of views...in some cases a giant chasm....on how to proceed in the Middle East. I have to admit that lately I seem to have lost hope--any hope really--in thinking that people in this country of intelligence and good nature will prevail over the ones who think slaughtering people is just dandy. Or we can even find any common ground, for that matter.

So, this week, I decided to do what I always to when I feel down: talk to a young person. By young, I mean in the 16-20 year range. There have been times, of course, when this has made me even more depressed, especially when I meet a young person who can't name a single world leader other than President Bush. And doesn't care either. But most of the time their energy and general positivity rub off on me and I feel better. I felt these things and more when I spent some time talking with a friend of mine named Alice Childress.

Alice is going to be senior at a suburban high school here in Minneapolis. She is bright, charming, and I consider it an honor to have a friendship with her. Last week, I loaned her the movie Breakdown and asked her for her reaction. I asked her four questions and her responses were far more profound and intelligent than I expected them to be. She sees her generation with an extreme width of vision and has a balanced view which I think we will all find refreshing.

M: What is your reaction to this film?
A: I have to admit, I’m not quite as crazy about this film as you are. I do agree with a lot of information presented, particularly the interview with the economic hit man and the facts about the United States’ previous involvement in several third world nations. But some of the suggestions, like the idea that our government is to blame for September 11 or anthrax, just piss me off. There’s no other way to say it. But overall I thought it was a very good and mostly factual film. It does amaze me how both sides of extremists can twist, omit and carefully place words and images to prove their point. For as much as the Bush administration has lied and played with information, the liberal extremists probably haven’t been much more honest. The difference, however, is that Bush’s lies have resulted in a four year war and hundreds of thousands of deaths.

M: How do you see the situation in Iraq?
A: Honestly, I don’t see how we’re helping Iraq. We went in there with the goal of helping the citizens, and like the film said, we ended up attracting terrorism and killing upwards of 150 thousand civilians. Real big help, yeah. The liberals will argue that oil, not helping the Iraqis was our motivation for war. A much less noble cause to be sure, but even that doesn’t appear to have been very successful. As a new driver, my life basically revolves around gas and I feel like I have to sell my soul for a tank.
So remind me again, why are we there? I think the current reason is that we’re setting up a democracy in Iraq so it can be used as a model for the Middle East. What America – and the rest of the western world, the World Bank, and the IMF – doesn’t get is that the Middle East doesn’t want or need democracy. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big fan of the system in most cases. But the western idea of success in government is very different from the eastern, and until we recognize that giant cultural difference it will be impossible to make progress in the Middle East.

Take a look at China, for example. Americans hate communism; they always have and they always will. But China has the fastest growing economy in the world, a secure government, and its people seem to be a whole lot happier than the Iraqis. Different nation, different values, good result. Yet Americans still believe that democracy is the only savior.

M:How do you see the United States’ place in the world?
A: In regard to this question, I believe that my generation has been fucked…er, screwed…and here’s why: we have no respect for our country. Since first grade, I’ve been indirectly told by young, smiling teachers as part of the revisionist curriculum that I was an ugly white American who killed the Indians, chopped down the rain forest and used to hold slaves. So I didn’t start off being particularly proud of my nation’s history.

I was ten years old when George Bush was inaugurated. I watched CNN in my sixth grade classroom on September 11, 2001, on a television that had been smuggled into the room because the school administration didn’t want to tell us about the attacks. For as long as I have cared, the United States has occupied areas of the Middle East under Bush’s leadership. To people my age, America has been defined by its involvement in the Middle East. That involvement has been personified by Bush. Therefore, America = Bush. It is perceived, at least at my high school, that to love America is to love the Bush administration and to support the troops is to support Bush’s decision to keep them in Iraq.

So, half the young population is convinced that they do not love their own country. This, of course, is incorrect, as we are mistakenly identifying the nation. But we don’t know that because we have been socialized by the media, our left-leaning public schools, and our peers. I believe the result is that there is no such thing as patriotism in people between fourteen and twenty years old.

We are disillusioned, separated, and ungrounded. In thirty years, when we will be the leading politicians, I imagine a very different America will develop as a result of this upbringing. Unless, of course, we all move to Canada because we just can’t take it anymore. I hear the skiing’s pretty good up there, so who knows.

M: Do you have hope?
A: Hope of what, exactly? Getting out of Iraq? Yes, I do. America’s finally starting to get pissed each time another dead body comes home. Not Vietnam-pissed, but if there was a draft I can definitely see it going there. Hope for Iraqis? They need to have their own hope first before mine makes any difference. How about hope for our government? Yes and no. Bush has really messed up and I am certainly looking forward to how history treats him. But there are a lot of leaders before him who have messed up as well. I think the government of this nation will always lie, it will always pursue alternate interests, and it will always be helped along by the media.
That’s just the kind of country we are.

I think if you can accept that and still strive to make it the best government possible, you can have hope. Basically, as a young and mostly innocent person I think I am inclined to be optimistic about the future. And there are several million more American citizens with that exact same natural tendency.

In my opinion, that simple fact seems reason enough for incredible amounts of hope.

18 comments:

Unknown said...

It's a fantastic point of view I think, especially coming from such a young person. I admire almost all what she "said" (except for the "cursing" words used).
However, she indicated that having the need currently to use gas she would sell her soul for a tank. Is that what most Americans if not all think or abide by? Sell your soul for a tank? Then wait till other things that come in life that would really make think of selling your soul, however you'll be by then knowing that a soul can never be sold, for you wouldn't exist anymore!
Moreover, I think Iraqis and others perhaps as well are losing their legs and limbs besides dying to protect their rights of living their own way in their own country. I think having the ability to walk is exceeds the need to invade another country and try to desstroy it in the name of having oil. Isn't the West so inventive and is reaching the moon, then can't the West find other means for their transportation and other needs? What happens when the oil cease to exist naturally, what for will the Americans, in this case, sell their souls for?

Anonymous said...

i live in hope every single day (not to say that i don't have my moments of weakness) and conscientious bright multi-layered original thinkers like Alice, plus her entire generation, because although special, Alice to me seems representative of so much more hope from her age group and 20-somethings, and that fuels mine (let's make it earth-friendly fuel from the warmth of the sun :)

Because Alice and her equals are pure energy and attitude, QUESTIONING reality when it doesn't live up to its potential, switching on & not off when it comes to the most (deliberately) confusing parts about our nation's past present and future, holding Reality to account when others have long given up, weakly compromised submitted or gotten used to the system and the lousy way it works. Just because, it's the system.

Alices (and Alexs :) don't give up, they seek answers find or demand them from irresponsible or utterly useless gatekeepers of so many 'truths', and the answers they find and reveal serve as models of energy hope and action for their communities and light or seeds, spread to the rest of the world.

Alice's young (mature) but dynamic mind may not yet have solutions to the many man-made problems of previous generations which are ongoing repeated historically and deeply negatively distressing to human societies and the planet, but she is asking and discovering 'How the World Works,' and that is a helluva an important step. She doesn't run away from difficult thoughts or their projections, that is what impresses me most about Alice's generation living in an age where 9-year-olds have to look hot and good at school and the mall.

She faces the most confusing and difficult realities on earth (and i'm not even TALKING about the personal ones at the age of 16,) and she thinks about them and that's more than the entire political leadership of the united states (once bipolar superpower, now lone superpower) has done at highly strategic turning points in our superpower history, or the last 60 years.

We can not solve problems before correctly diagnosing them, so i consider Alice's very sensitive and sophisticated (also at times innocently expressed) interest in what for teenagers in 2007 should be the most boring and uncool subject on earth, to qualify her for a/ neurosurgery or b/ diplomatic or state department positions, preferably in Intelligence.

Keep up the good work kid (i still feel like one myself, i think the 70s and this decade have much in common... :)

Anonymous said...

Mark, this is a great interview; thanks!

I just started to read part two of your interview w/Joanne Tucker, and decided to go back and read part one and then part two. They look great. Thanks for introducing her views. I'd like to see that movie.

Signed,

Sandy Shasta

Anonymous said...

Well, well, well. It's finally happened. Direct confirmation from a high school student (Alice) that has been

"told by young, smiling teachers as part of the revisionist curriculum that I was an ugly white American who killed the Indians, chopped down the rain forest and used to hold slaves. So I didn’t start off being particularly proud of my nation’s history."

And you wonder, Mark, why I have argued with you so much on Kevin's blog about the disastrous effects our education system is having on our youth. We start them off immediately hating everything we do in the world--listening to all that multi culti crap--it's no wonder that our country is so weak and powerless right now. How can we honestly be expected to defeat the Islamic fascists that we are fighting? Not this way, no sir.

Your questions also were framed in such a way as to elicit a specific response which is something that the media does all the time to people like President Bush and Vice President Cheney. Of course you are going to get an answer that make your side look better.

Anonymous said...

Well, if the US would stop behaving the way it does i.e. the "gimme it, it's mine and fuck you-we are doing it for freedom" routine than I wouldn't have to tell the TRUTH in my classes everyday.

Never in my 53 years have I seen a group of people more delusional than folks like you sarge.

Anonymous said...

I found this blog from Katherine Kersten's blog. Pretty cool.

I think it is pretty darn funny that President Bush said that Americans are tired of war. What we are tired of are lies, deception, hypocrisy, denial, arrogance, piety, mismangagement, cronyism, failed policies, misplace priorities, war profiteering, and the abuse of our military.

Mark Ward said...

Welcome jrp.

You do realize that all of your views are the result of liberal bias in the media. None of the things that you mention here could possibly be true :)

Anonymous said...

Wow. Thanks for clearing that up for me. You're right. I see the light now. I knew that Bush, Cheney et al. couldn't possibly be that bad.

I have faith again.

Anonymous said...

i should stop saying wow. now i know why they think i'm a tv-serial-show airhead americano (or foreigner) here when i use it :) (alternated with cool) because its irony is nicely exemplified by jrp :)

i bought a book once in Borders (oh gosh..! burn all the books for spreading untruths..!) called : 'Lies my Teacher Told me' and it went through all the standard text books used in the nations' classrooms, for the last 40-50 years, naming them and and extracting whole paragraphs on social / historical subjects and what appears much more likely to happen, although this tendency might have been corrected within the last decade, i don't know, (i didn't go to school in the us but in the uk) is that school and high school 'kids' have usually been brainwashed (okay, brain-trained) the other way, so it surprised me reading Alice's (intelligent) interview comments, that she had been taught to dislike america ('s actions / policies) for wiping out and caralling (sp? i mean the way cowboys and horses carall cattle...) the native indians into crappy little reserves in unwanted areas of the us where many became alcoholic vegetables and lamented their great cultural history and loss. Oh and watched themselves being portrayed in Jimmy stewart & john wayne movies on tv.

Its early days and i really don't want to get into the subject in July 2007!!!! But, is anybody even vaguely surprised or amazed by the AMOUNTS of money being spent on Presidential hopeful campaigns, granted someone like Mitt Romney is pouring some of his OWN money into his own campaign (he's worth about $250 million) so, that's good, that he's putting his money on the table, but i recently read the kind of salaries these peoples' entourages are receiving ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070717/ap_on_el_pr/romney_spending;_ylt=An0LOnXXjiGrR_KV0Btgdh.WwvIE ) and yes, there was a twinge of envy which quickly subsided :) maybe in some cases being paid for giving GREAT advice but in many others, for doing sweet fa and swanning around the country networking with the connected and rich, and i'm thinking, is this what becoming President is about?? (I know the answer is Yes :) & i KNOW.... what Just Dave is thinking..... :)

Anonymous said...

What am I thinking? Enquiring minds want to know…

Anonymous said...

Hey Mark,

You probably already know about this but did you see the NIA report officially released today? Isn't everything in it EXACTLY what you have been saying on this blog for the last 4 years or so?

Why aren't you working for the intelligence agencies of our great nation?

Anonymous said...

Torch, if you have been reading this blog you would know that Markadelphia doesn't always give the entire story. Proof is in a number of subjects.

Anonymous said...

just dave

i was thinking that (mysterious) you were thinking that joanne might be being a little naive by even questioning the fact that the globe's superpower is pouring gluttonous amounts of denaros into the process of choosing 'the one' a process of glorified networking events with the wealthy & influential or photo ops with the poor and lesser beings (who blur into one) in the nation's caste system (some of these little people might be billionaires in virtue with their rewards accruing in vast savings accounts in eternity..)

however, i was also thinking that why do these people (potential prezs) one of whom will win the jackpot, talk about and shake hands with the ordinary people so much (Edwards is now on a poverty tour throughout the USA, great idea, would like to see what comes of THAT worthy cause in two years..) when they then forget the people for four years, or more, as Bushie.

that may be how it happens (and not just in the us, but pretty awfully extremely in the us) but it isn't normal, psycopathic in fact.

Anonymous said...

rld

translation. 'proof is in a number of subjects' and how many subjects have we covered, one?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, that’s not what I was thinking. (I was actually thinking about this hot little number I just saw walking by my office window…)

But a couple of things did come to mind.

a) Although the young lady’s opinion is worth about as much as mine (you get what you pay for), I don’t consider it quite valid for anything other than youthful exuberance…Sorry Charlie, just not enough education & worldly experience…but then again, I know plenty of highly educated people w/ lots of worldly experience who’re about as smart as my left cheek, so maybe it’s just me. The tell-tale sign for me was her view of Communist China through rose-colored glasses; a view which can only come from a gross lack of education and the type of misinformation propagated throughout our culture from people like…well, you.
[Complete tangent now that I’ve mentioned China…I got a marketing flyer from a company I buy artwork from and it’s “artwork” on the flyer included an Andy Warhol styled portrait of Chairman Mao. How sick is that?]
b) I was (not so) fondly reminded of high school & college with her anti-American curriculum comment which Sarge pointed out and VHeights actually reinforced with an attempted rebuttal…who stated something to the effect that after looking at the entire history of the United States that he/she can only form a curriculum on the most negative aspects of our nation’s heritage.

…not that it matter, but that’s what I was actually thinking..(in addition to the hot little number...)

Anonymous said...

interesting. thanks. :)

Anonymous said...

Multiculturalism is a big word meaning, "The West stinks". The shorthand version is, "America stinks". Under multiculturalism, George Washingtonwas a slave-owning white male with no accomplishments of note.

Typical....and teachers like Vheights are helping change the future??? Not hardly.

joannet, a number of subjects have been covered by people on this blog in the past, not just the middle east. Proof is in the comments I have read.

Mark Ward said...

Yes, torch, I have seen the NIA and that will be the topic (albeit a sad and frightening one) next week.

Sad, because even will all the information available to them, somehwere around 40 million Americans think that Bush is doing a good job fighting Al Qaeda.

Frightening because the simple fact that he is not will result in deaths on American soil.