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Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Part Two

Here is Part Two of my interview with Joanne Tucker, producer and director of the film Breakdown.

M: In the film, you seem to intimate that the US government itself was responsible for the anthrax attacks. What do you think really happened with all of that? We haven't heard much about it and it seems that most people have forgotten.

J: I wasn't directly intimating that our government was responsible for the anthrax attacks of late 2001. What the film shows (in part one, The Message) is Colin Powell making the case for War on Iraq in February 2003 at the UN Security Council, in which our leadership was stating in an unequivocal way that Iraq possessed WMDs.

Powell, always speaking on behalf of his bosses, stressed throughout the key speech that these were not assertions but statements of solid fact. In the film I show one of those statements made by Powell flanked by the Head of the CIA and the US Ambassador to the UN, while holding up a vial of white (probably johnson's baby) powder before the Council and the world's TV cameras:

'This forced several hundred people to undergo emergency medical treatment and killed two postal workers just from an amount, just about THIS quantity that was inside of an envelope. Iraq declared 8500 litres of anthrax..'

The wording is very very clever and very very typical of the government and media persuasion campaign leading to war. I don't put the entire onus on Colin Powell, although he as others allowed himself to be used and I'm sure he as others, is not proud of that chapter.

Notice how Powell is speaking of the anthrax attacks directly after 9/11 that made headlines on every US news show linking it to Iraq or Arabs, and in the very next sentence, he talks of Iraq. But as usual with the Administration's propaganda build-up, it's all about juxtaposition (putting unrelated statements next to each other but leaving it up to the listener, to make the direct links that don't exist.) and omission.

He puts two statements together that are completely unrelated. It would have been much more relevant for example (but not good for a case for War on an oil-rich Islamic heartland state) if Powell had said in statement 2: 'A 52-year-old American belonging to the Aryan Nations, a US-based militant white separatist group, who in 1995 and 1998 was arrested by the FBI for possessing bubonic plague and convicted of threatening to wipe out the city of Las Vegas and the state of Nevada with military grade anthrax to which he had access, has not been determined to be responsible for the so far timely but unaccounted for anthrax attacks of late 2001.'

Powell's other party trick (the omission) is in saying: 'Iraq declared 8500 litres of anthrax..' Yeah. In 1991, before those 8500 litres were destroyed under UN supervision and documented by the UN (again, not mentioned.) No anthrax, biological or chemical weapons were ever found in Iraq. However, our government IS fedexing bubonic plague anthrax vx and other highest-level toxicity germs around the country to send to Lawrence Livermore National Labs in California (and others but primarily Livermore) where in 2004, it began a brand new expanded biological and chemical weapons programme with newly released funds from Congress and taxpayers' billions.

As for accountability? Weird that the Anthrax attacks story disappeared from the network airwaves as quickly as it had massively appeared in 2001, and was never mentioned by officials again. Could that have anything to do with the fact that the weapons grade anthrax spores being sent to TV celebrities was found to originate in an Army bio terrorism facility near Maryland? Newspaper exposures did not remotely receive the same level of TV buzz again or follow up of the investigations in the public interest.

M: I was shocked to see some of the footage of Jimmy Carter you put in the film. He really sounded a lot like our current president in regards to Middle Eastern policy. Do you think US Foreign Policy is better or worse depending upon whether it is a Democrat or a Republican in office? How is Bill Clinton that different than George W. Bush, for example?

J: Carter's very famous statement in his 1980 State of the Union Address: " Let our position be absolutely clear: An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force…" has to be understood in the context of US superpower ambitions and designs on the Persian Gulf region. It's irrelevant that Carter's a Democrat. He has since come clean about a lot of the hypocrisy and double standards.

When it comes to the Persian Gulf and Israel, Democrats and Republican are one and the same party. The solution does not have to be military or exclusively unjust. America can get all the oil it needs and all the friends it needs in the Persian Gulf and the Middle East without backing (Arab or Israeli) dictatorships or ethnocentric regimes in the region, without giving the most foreign assistance in grants weapons and contracts to Israel to the tune of more than $3 trillion dollars since 1973, to continue to fuel an unjust conflict where right and wrong are as clear as day to both Israelis and Palestinians, the vast majority of both of whom want to live in one country in peace. United States policies will not allow peace in the region, period.

Israelis recognize and write about this regularly in their press, as do neighbouring countries particularly Lebanon, especially since the spectacular failure of last Summer's Washington conceived, Israeli-executed War on Lebanon in 2006 which killed more than one thousand civilians and destroyed an entire country's infrastructure.

America can get all the oil and Arab or Israeli friends it needs, both of whom admire US values, striving to save democracy in their own countries so often blocked by US policies, without creating al Qaeda and spreading violence in the world's most sought after region throughout history, without diverting multiple billions of American taxpayer's money (supporters of long term injustice in the ME love to talk about small government and lower taxes but say nothing about Americans' money being flushed down the toilet in the cause of invasions, war and unjust escalations) to create an ever-growing arms race, pouring money and wmds into Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan to name a few of our closest allies.

Only when Americans are informed about their country's policies will they correctly influence and lead their politicians' policies and decisions rather than be led by Arms, Israel or Oil lobbyists on the issues.

M: You mention Israel a lot in this answer and that leads me to the one area of the film with which I disagreed. The Israeli-Palestinian segment...It seemed a little one sided. Was that on purpose? What is your view on Hamas?

J: Hamas is a national liberation movement that uses its popularity in the political arena, an armed military wing and terror operations to achieve aims which for Palestinians are enshrined in long-passed but never enforced UN international laws and resolutions.

Which liberation movement in history apart from Gandhi's millions-strong non-violence movement in India, a luxury the Palestinians don't have being denied movement from one town to the next, connections to one another, their homes gardens or farm lands when annexed by the Army and even return to their families and residencies on a regular and arbitrary basis, so which independence or liberation movement in history has not used terror against more destructive sophisticated and widespread state terror, to achieve freedom?

Terror is not a one-way street and it is deeply tragic not only to Israeli families and victims who lose their loved ones but to Palestinians. Palestinians are the minority but Palestinian civilians have been killed in the 50 year+ conflict as a deliberate policy of state terror to force a settlement on Israeli terms (which has never worked) and in far greater numbers. Israeli settlers walk around Palestinian majority residential areas (such as East Jerusalem and Hebron) with M16s that they are free to use, but the more than a third of Palestinians killed by Israel's Military are under 16 according to the UN. The vast majority of Palestinians killed in the double digits daily are unarmed civilians. Israel has become great (the very best) at occupying civilians and capturing detaining or fighting unarmed civilians while at the same time, becoming extremely bad at the Art of War or strategy, because the Occupation is corrupting Israeli society and creating profoundly avoidable tragedies on both sides.

This is the model that the US is now emulating in Iraq and across the so-called New Middle East. Dr Rice called last Summer’s War on Lebanon ‘the birth pangs of a new Middle East.’ If this is the new Middle East, say the vast majority of people including Israelis who live there, give us the old unjust paradigm but where the violence was predictable and contained, any day of the year.

Got a question or comment for Joanne? Click on comments below.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

The anthrax attacks have always perplexed me as well. Who was responsible? What is our goverment doing about it? Of course, I can't prove anything but the whole thing really stinks of an inside job.

Mark Ward said...

For me, there is a marked difference between the US conflict with Islamic extremists and the Israeli one.

The US bankrolled, bank in the 1980s, many of the people we call evildoers today. We are in a sickening relationship with Saudi Arabia that produced 15 of the 19 hijackers. Our current president wanted to sell our port maintenence to the country, UAE, that produced two more hijackers. Haliburton is relocating its headquarters there next year. What does all of this (and too much more to mention) mean? There are economic factors in all of these realtionships that are part of the cause for "why they hate us."

Israel, however, is a different matter. What would you have them do, Joanne? Make nice? Too many times they have tried and what is the end result? Dead Jews on a Bus. Groups like Hamas saying that they hate all Jews and want to destroy them all. These people are rabidly anti-Semitic and despartely want what Hitler failed to do.

In this case, just dave's quote from a holocast survivor is appropiate...believe someone when they say they are going to destroy you.

In my time, I have known two people that have served in the Israeli army, one of whom was a woman I dated a long time ago and am still friendly with...the stories that I have heard about how the Palestenian leadership factions conduct business...well, it's appalling and there is no excuse or justification for it. They bilk the Palestinian people out of the aid money coming from the West and use it for lavish apartments in Europe. They want to exterminate Jewish people. Period.

The hatred of Islamic extremism towards the Jew is so ingrained in their psyche that I guess I don't see any way to "negotiate" with them. If you know of a way, I'd love to hear it.

Anonymous said...

Markadelphia you sound brainwashed and i don't blame you because this is the daily misinformation that is repeated to fan the fears of hate on US tv (far more than Israeli which just sent their reporter to Lebanon....'scary'...'hizb'Allah land....the country they're supposedly at war with....)

What would you have them do, Joanne? Make nice?

No actually, I would have them act like the democracy they're not (vis a vis any non jew including christian palestinians.)

I would have them, as israelis including heads of intelligence, ex-Prime Ministers, parents of soldiers, parents of killed civilians and highly decorated special forces fighters, all of whom i've interviewed and spent time with, who have sacrificed for their country and now struggle for logic and truth, i would have them respect their own laws first and abide by international laws 2nd.

Every single day of every single week of every single month and year Israel violates its own and international laws resulting in sickening images on daily tv that americans never see. On a daily basis an average of a dozen Palestinians at least half of whom are kids, are killed in Gaza, the biggest most overcrowded ghetto in the world that out country starved an besieged for a year because it didn't like the peoples' choice of government in 2006. In times of 'incursions' (funny how words are so sterile when they apply to israeli military invasions of civilian populated areas) which is when tanks enter residential neighbourhoods, roads and alleyways on arbitrary search and patrol, detaining anyone and crushing or trageting anything in their path, the numbers of dead are far higher. These incursions often occur at night away from cameras but the results are apparent in the morning.

Palestinians have endured what no other nation's civilians have endured, systematic institutionalised 50 year+ state terror allowed in 50year+ emergency laws (that negates the very idea of a democracy: if you can do what you like when you like and ignore your laws or only abide by the ethnocentric ones, because you have an eternal emergency law.)

Why do you think Israel civilians are being killed? (FAR far less under the government of Hamas by the way...) Oh i know why. Because arabs or palestinians don't think like us, they're sub human, they do it for pleasure, they love blood and violence. Not because they have been on the receiving end of ethnic cleansing (if a million jews or christians or americans were today ethnically cleansed from their state or land, driven out in a day or rounded up and grensaded in residential neghbourhoods if they remained to instill fear in the hearts of others and serve as an example, what would the international response be..??)

I am AGAINST the killing of ALL civilains period. But i do NOT differentiate between those civilians -- you are asking me and others with a brain and heart to differentiate.

If an Israeli jew is killed that is a crime against humanity and that is murder and i have watched it on news agency footage and i have been so upset to the point of losing it when i saw a mother extremely distraught just screaming her son or daughter's name out at a suicide bombing scene, looking at dismembered bodies, begging that they were not one of the killed, saying their name over again and again while crying uncontrollably, it is the saddest thing on earth to lose someone you love and so suddenly without warning. EQUALLY, i have seen footage and before my eyes, of Palestinians being killed so suddenly and without warning, including children, from a helicopter or artillery or an assault weapon, and the father picks up his kid who is outside their home and lifeless who now has a bullet lodged in his head while the grandmother is screaming and the mother is crying out in disbelief and the father looks like the saddest lost human on earth.

So what would i have Israel do? STOP murdering, stop invading, stop building concrete walls that annex desirable land kill hope and depress any living thing on either side, build ONE nation, ONE nation... a model for the middle east, a democracy not an apartheid ethocracy. It's very very very easy to do with sincere will and application, none of which has been demonstrated in official circles of authority the last 15 years of a so-called 'peace process' and the majority on either side want this. It's ridiculous that the myth of Palestinians wanting to destroy Israel continues to be propogated when HAMAS is the only side that guarantees ceasefires and truces and zero suicide bombings for the longest periods broken by Israel or their allies, when Israel is Goliath, is the armed party in power and initiates the destruction 9 times out of 10. The United States Admin the neocons and official Israel do NOT WANT A SETTLEMENT. 18% of historic Palestine to the Palestinians -- in ghettoised broken up military check-pointed fashion with Israel controlling the skies, ports, water aquifiers & land routes and not willing to discuss the return of refugees, as proposed at Camp David in 2000, is NOT a settlement.

America has catholics protestants jews muslims buddhists you name it. Israel or Palestine or Canaan or whatever the two sides agree to call it, one nation, can easily accomodate jews christians and muslims and make Jerusalem an international city of faith belonging to God, under the equal stewardship and responsibility of the Vatican the Anglican Church the OIC (organisation of islamic countries) and the highest jewish rabbinate authorities.

I have sat with rabbis (on tape) who laughed at me and correctly quoted the hebrew text from the Torah about killing someone if you think they are going to kill you, they said it is forbidden to kill based on intentions, they said God and the text doesn't give anybody, any jew or any believer the right to kill because i think you might want to kill me or i fear that end in advance. Self-defence is allowed in ALL religions, but it can not be transgressed because then you become the killer and sinner according to detailed criteria of sacred justice.

With regard to the holocaust it is the biggest tragedy and saddest irony on earth that a people of God persecuted by europeans would then, with the very active help and encouragement above all of those europeans who wanted to rid themselves of jews in their societies, displace and persecute and systematically drive out the dwellers of another homeland.

Anonymous said...

by the way, the corrupt practises of a number of more secular-leaning palestinian authority leaders that your israeli friend was describing to you, is correct.

Which is why these palestinians, so long in power were voted out by the people in a landslide defeat and condemnation of their rule in January 2006.

These are the very same Palestinian politicians whom Israel and the United States fawn over and have now reinstalled in power, backing them 100%. Both the Israeli and US administrations care less about palestinian corruption, in fact they encourage elitism and favouritism, it's part of the strategy to creat a pro-US or Israeli leadership and weaken their opponent's strategy, they only want palestinians they can do business with, and that means favouring the ultra-corrupt.

Anonymous said...

1 more thing. i don't deny or negate israeli fears or perceptions about the palestinians and their intentions, but these fears are their worst enemies and are not giving israelis OR palestinians long-desired security or stability or going to solve anything.

in fact, if i always act on fear (of your actions) and guilt (of my own) and in anticipation of your intentions, because there is ever-increasing distrust and fear and revenge and guilt, i create much more agony on both sides. which is going to be re-inforcing and much much harder to solve.

it's NEVER too late to initiate a process of dialogue, expression anger frustration accomodation and conciliation and new hope for the new generation. The united states has been abysmally negligent and utterly unhelpful, in this regard, the united states has not helped the two sides march one step towards conciliation which would calm the entire region, it has fueled the longest running conflict in the 20th and now 21st century.

i know because i hear it so much and i know that a lot of israelis think, okay maybe we haven't done the right thing by the palestinians, but look at the larger picture, widen the lens. maybe we overreact at home, maybe we shouldn't do some of the things we do, but if we don't we will be submerged by the enemies we are surrounded by, we're surrounded by 250 million arabs and okay at home, we're the majority, but in the sea of arabs, many of them muslims, we the jews are the minority and they will kill us all, and what we're doing now, against the palestinians, is pre-emptive self-defense. That's why we have nuclear weapons, that's why we take the initiative in war, that's why we can never let our guard down.

Anonymous said...

as for solutions to the conflict, my two favourites are a federal state of autonomous communities or self-administered cantons like in Switzerland, with central government representation but local legislative and judiciary powers.

Or, one truly democratic nation with an international city of jerusalem, that would be open to visits by world tourists and pilgrims, not as it is today, an Alcatraz enclave, which would massively boost the economy for all the city's residents.

Mark Ward said...

Some good points but I beg to differ on the fact that I am brainwashed. Let's look at this another way. I view the various groups that run the Palestinian government in much the same way I view some members of the US government: they lie, cheat, steal and murder their way into the hopes of gaining more power. Much of it is based on greed. None of it is based on the altruistic vision of peace or "freedom" fighting.

I guarentee you that the moment that Hamas is allowed to be part of the government in that country is the same moment that Jewish people will be herded onto trains and sent off to their deaths. The hatred inside of these people is so great--I'm sure you've seen it--that I seriously doubt, at this point, they are capable of peace. Do I think all Palestinians are like this? No, but as usual in these situations the people that desire peace the most are the ones that are the most silent or unheard. This is also true of the US.

I also guarentee you that in your scenario, while Palestinian deaths would assuredly drop, Israeli citizen deaths would go up. So what do they do? They walk a fine line. Answer these questions...

How many times has Israeli ceased an operation because civilian targets were in the way?

How many times has Hamas ceased an operation because civilian targets, including Palestinian people, were in the way?

johnwaxey said...

Markadelphia, you and I disagree on this very topic and I tend to agree with Joanne on just about everything. The answer to your questions is that both have more or less ceased to give quarter to anyone. They have both earned the right to kill each other, the question is can they live together in peace. The answer to that may very well be No. If that is the case, then Israel still needs to come clean and come into accordance with its own internal laws and the U.N. resolutions that have been in place for 50 years. One thing for sure, there won't even be a chance for peace if they don't.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. You're not brainwashed. Bad use of adjective, i meant to say influenced and used the 'buzzier' word.


Still, if you think that Israeli soldiers, MANY of whom are decent and MANY of whom are on autopilot with an assault weapon, many of whom would rather be at home with their families or working with their neighbours for peace open borders with the entire Arab world and a thriving state as opposed to driving tanks into what's left of palestinian territories and arresting or killing their neighbours and many of whom have also regard Palestinians, including the soldier who shot a thirteen year old girl close up dozens of times saying without knowing that he was being taped that he just wanted to make sure she was dead (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1358173,00.html) as target practise no longer human.

So to think that the top priority of Israeli soldiers, whose commanders have instructed them daily for more than 50 years to "break bones" or "eliminate the terrorists" with zero accountability to those who kill civilians, is to SAVE Palestinian lives, then with complete respect admiration and understanding for your empathy for human beings across the board, regardless of their race, but you need a reality check.

The LEAST priority on an OFFICIAL level i'm talking about, not a moral and individual level, since i have interviewed many soldiers and have witnessed acts of extraordinary individual kindness by israeli soldiers who could have taken the much easier path of being assholes with the weapon, as i have witnessed so many acts of unecessary brutality and racism against civilians, because the cause to fight and hate and regard palestinians as the enemy is taught BY THE STATE (really a glorified military) not individual families from the day they are born, psychoanalysed and written about AT LENGTH by israelis themselves in their press and books since the occupation has taken its mental toll -- so the LEAST of a soldier's duties and priorities is to save Palestinian lives, as the figures clearly show (http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/Casualties.asp)

AGAIN, i do not imply -- the way MANY tunnel-visioned will do about palestinians -- that Israeli soldiers or citizens are inhuman or callous or simple killing machines. What i'm saying is that the system of 50 years + of AVOIDABLE tragedy and war and occupation and emergency laws has hardened attitudes tremendously. At the same time, it has created a minority but key peace movement amongst israelis, that has revealed so many truths and as the failure of the war on lebanon in 2006 demonstrated, grows in popularity the more young soldiers are sent to their needless death in political wars of choice that don't protect anyone, least of all their homeland.

Anonymous said...

Thank you John (Waxey,) i just logged on and i think we just posted two thoughts at the same time.

Mark Ward said...

I guess in the end I do the same thing with folks like Hamas that I do with George Bush: I listen to what he says and judge him based on his actions. I know what he is up to and it stinks to high heaven.

Same deal with Hamas. Other than the people I know that have lived in Israel, most of my informtion comes from Mosaic (Middle Eastern news broadcasts) and the Internet. I hear what the leader of Hamas says and I see what he does. He is not a freedom fighter. He wants power and money, just like W, and he will step on the skulls of any Palestinian that gets in the way.
The leader of Iran is also a shining example of this. He doesn't care about his people.

Israelis are faced with this type of scenario everyday: Intelligence shows that six men are planning a suicide bombing (or martrydom operation for those pc folks out there..sheesh) that is going to claim the lives of 100 citizens, both Israeli and Palestinian. They are in house on a crowded street with other civilians. Do they bomb them or let them go? What would you do?

One of the ways they solved this issue is they built a wall....a non violent way of trying to control the problem of bombers.....and still people bitched, said it was inhumane, broke the law....blah blah blah......and yet the bombings went down and there do seem to be less of them.

When I read the things you have written, joanne and john, I get the sense that you think that the Israelis are attacking out of spite or greed. Please correct me if I'm wrong but from my perspective, they have a large group of people that have stated in no uncertain terms that they want Israel gone and its people slaughtered. Given those statements, is it really possible to negotiate at this point?

At the end of the day, do you know what really disappoints me? Somewhere along the line, liberals became fed up with the Jewish cause. Some seem suddenly naive when it comes to what Jews have to face everyday in this world, especially in Israel. Others seem borderline anti-Semitic. And conservatives? Now they are suddenly on the side of Jewish people...also laughable and incredibly naseuating considering the fact that they persecuted and killed Jewish people throughout the 50s and 60s. I have to be honest, I really don't relish the thought of being on the "same side" as some of these folks who, at the end of the day let's be honest, only support the Jewish people because it propels them towards their misguied and maniacal belief that the end times are upon us.

Anonymous said...

Hamas isn't going to destroy Israel, Fatah isn't, the Al Aqsa Martyr brigades, Hizb'Allah, you name a group and i'll add it to this list + throw in Iran and Venezuela for good measure.

No group, no country, is going to destroy Israel. Because no single group can -- with human bombs (they don't have f-16s or 9,000 pound nuclear bunker busters) and crude self-made rockets or 50-year old russian 40 km range katyushas or even the latest iranian short andf medium range rockets. Syria, with its chemical and biological weapons stashed since the 70s half of which no longer work (& a comparatively miniscule stockpile) isn't going to destory israel. Sweden or China are not going to destory israel. Know why? because no one's used a nuke since we did in the 40s and ANY group or nation that uses one has just wiped itself off the planet. Great!! Why don't we ENCOURAGE iran to build a nuke, and give them some space, so we can then say they are about to launch it at Israel and pre-emptively wipe them off the planet.... no??? I think that's pretty ingenious.

If the entire 'international community' i.e. meaning only the veto-wielding powers of the UN Security Council, back Israel to the max WHATEVER it does, in every single situation, imagine the 'international community's' response should a nuclear weapon be contemplated let alone used. & please don't give me 'they're crazy!!' argument, because based on the evidence, short medium or long-term, we're the only ones with irrational or overreactive beahviour in foreign and military matters.

The 'they want to destroy us' argument may be a genuine fear amongst some israeli i don't deny, whose media subliminally hypnotises them into repeating it ten times a day, while they destroy the other side and their rights unchecked, it's simply political and diplomatic leverage. Leaders (esp! in Israel) know no guerilla fighter is going to destroy them militarily or with any weapon under the sun known to man. They want to eliminate all and any resistance to the occupation and to Israeli regional dictates, which is what worries them the most. But as some (again israelis as well as many other nationalities) have intelligently pointed out, the more they (israelis) try to destroy resistance to their actions and overall strategy, documented and implemented in the territories and in the region from '82 on, the more they increase the resistance and reactions.

Anonymous said...

& yes, i think it's possible to negotiate.
& no, none of this (at least our argument) has anything to do with anti-semitism, unless you're a christian-zionist conservative so willing to wait till armageddon and the rapture before you wipe out the 9 million+ jews, again, that's another form of leverage. you criticise my government and their harsh illegal dehumanising policies, and you're an anti-semite or, if jewish, self-hating.

Anonymous said...

mark, don't be depressed by liberals because they are (i'm guessing in the main) reacting to what israel is doing and saying but on that note, and in a positive light, israelis are bright, strategic, self-critical, they know their faults and weaknesses and unlike the rest of the Arab World regimes and leaderships, they are swift to investigate and admit their mistakes and failures (such as the lebanon war 2006 and sabra/chatila 1982 massacres) which takes a lot of guts and honesty although political accountability is more flexible.

So, if israel were to combine its guts and introspective analysis with its strategic instincts to do the right thing and more importantly, if israelis were to now ignore american (i.e. neocon or Bush Admin) advice which granted, is going to be difficult because it comes with a tonne of freebies and temptations attached, and instead act courageously in their domestic and national security interest, then there will be cause for real optimism. Meaning: don't divide the palestinians into Gaza (hamas land) and West bank (fatah land) because that's will solve nothing not even short term. You're going to have a 90% Resistant population in Gaza, led by a group that you refuse to recognise that will gain in popularity from your siege and a 50% Resistant population in the West Bank that will become much higher when the old palestinian leadership corruption which you now fully support in the west bank returns and when ordinary palestinians don't see a lot improving in their daily lives. Palestinians will re-unite but this time, with a vengeance, focusing their energy and strategy against those who divided them.

It's time for Israel to act in its own national interest FOR ONCE and break the the sugar daddy ties that are leading to vast corruption and an ever-narrowing horizon of intelligent options.

Anonymous said...

I take it the below doesn’t even register blips on the radar screens of the sarge or just dave, because it’s part of the 100-year-PLAN for V victory, to spread peace and love throughout the world, oh I’m sorry, that was the hippy script, to spread our military and political presence, weapons of mass destruction and terror throughout the world. In sicily they call it the octopus, or l'indrangheta, because the tentacles of an octopus like the mafia's reach everywhere :)

[ From today’s surreal news… ]

The president said that, while al-Qaida remains a threat to the United States, it has been hurt by his war on terrorism and is "weaker today than they would have been" otherwise. He spoke as a new U.S. threat assessment found that al Qaida had rebuilt its capability to mount attacks to levels not seen since 2001.

Counterterrorism officials have been increasingly concerned about al-Qaida's recent operations. This week, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said he had a "gut feeling" that the United States faced a heightened risk of attack this summer.

Asked on ABC's "Good Morning America" to explain al-Qaida's continuing strength nearly six years after the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States, Chertoff said, "It reflects the fact that just as we improve our defenses, the enemy tries to improve its defenses and rebuild itself."

Bush presented a mixed picture of progress in Iraq, coinciding with an interim report to Congress by his administration that asserted progress on some fronts but not on others.
He said he understood the growing opposition to the war among the American public and recent defections by some Republicans in Congress.

He said he had listened carefully to influential Republican senators who had recently been critical of his war strategy. But, in the end, he said, he was commander in chief.

He said he still believed the war could — and must — be won. "If we increase our support at this crucial moment, we can hasten the day when our troops come home," Bush said. [FLASHBACK VIETNAM]

"You know, I guess I'm like any other political figure. Everybody wants to be loved — just sometimes the decisions you make and the consequences don't enable you to be loved.

"And so, when it's all said and done, if you ever come down and visit the old, tired me down there in Crawford, (Texas), I will be able to say I looked in the mirror and made decisions based upon principle, not based upon politics. And that's important to me."

[So glad we're in hopeful, utterly clueless but sincere hands...]

Unknown said...

Hello...
First, excuse my English, I'm not very much used to the English political terms nor am I very much into politics' details. However, as an Arab, a Muslim and a Lebanese I would like to pinpoint the fact that if Israelis were/are defending themselves or their so called "state" against Palestinians then why did they inflict so much harm, horror and tyranny over Lebanon? We did they kill so much of our people? Why did they not care about horrifying "all" Lebanese and destroy our infrastructure just so that they attempt to get rid of Hizb'Allah? What has Hizb'Allah done for them? Kick them out of our country, after occupying it for more than 20 years while stealing from its resources and killing many of the southern people specifically all in the name of protecting themselves and "their" land? If they have a complex from the holocaust they've been subjected to, then why do they not measure it on other people? Why does the West not understand that we who are being harmed by the Israelis have every right to get ourselves rid of them when they "the west" tried to get rid of them so brutally without any satisfying reason? They want us to accept their tyranny, all in the fear of extremists in Islam like Hizb'Allah when it's Hizb'Allah who are the moderate!!! They have ethics, they have morals, they are honest people and they are defending their country and their rights. Jews have come to Palestine claiming it's their promised land, what about Americans, haven't they taken it from the Indians. Would they let the Indians claim their "land" back? And besides, wearing the black "chador" or having long beards were applicable is not being an extremist. They are people who at least show what they believe in, unlike others who hide under common looks and common appearances. Some countries have accepted gay marriages, an utterly abnormal thing, and yet they continue to think that resisting occupation, stealing and tyranny is a terrorist thing! Why is that? It's most likely that they're not afraid of gay marriages, but believe me, they enemy is within. Not just in gay marriages but in many other areas. In Islam, God tells us that murder is easy compared to misguidance. If someone is murdered unjustly, God will be receiving the soul of that person, but if a person is misguided than he/she will be living a wrong life leading to bad outcomes if not severely bad outcomes.
Nevertheless, for the time being concerning Israelis and Palestinians, a compromise from both sides should be made. No one party will achieve any kind of peace unless they sacrifice some of their goals, and God knows better. After all, doesn't any relationship in the world need compromise to survive at least if not flourish?

Mark Ward said...

Welcome, Handih, you perspective is much appreciated. I agree with some of the things that you say, in particular your points about the US. I hope you keep posting as several of the topics you raise are talked about quite a bit here.

A question for you, how do see the current operations by the Lebanese government against the Palestinians?

Unknown said...

Hello Mark,
I'm glad you agree with some if not all of my points, for it means you are not being biased. We all need sometimes to learn more to have a better perspective. As for the actions of the Lebanese government against the Palestinians currently in Lebanon, well I strongly disagree. There are 2 types of Palestinians if may somehow differentiate between them, those who are not indulging in the war against the Lebanese army and those who are. For the "civilians" I feel very sorry for them almost feel like crying because they are being very much mistreated although they are being promised sort of a better future in many TV ads and that what they're going through is temporarily. However, I can't understand how we pity the Palestinians in occupied Palestine so much and fund them with money to survive and call them heroes for enduring the Israeli brutality, yet we are not "respecting" them in our country, a fellow Arab country and helping them avoid the humility they are bearing in their country! We keep them in so called camps. Why is that? Is this the way heroes are treated or is it only that we fund them to keep the fight against Israelis so that we have an alibi when God asks about our support for them, nevertheless keeping the fight away from us? To me, I prefer giving up all the land of Palestine except the Mosque "Al-Masjed Al-Aqsa" because it is where our Prophet Mohammad, peace and blessings may be upon him from Allah, prayed guiding around 124000 other prophet and messenger of Allah (God) and made his journey to the skies and saw heaven and hell. It may be hard for non Muslims to believe that but by God's will I hope many will be able to believe that as well.
Now, as for the other Palestinians who are fighting the Lebanese army, I don't think at all that this is the proper way of dealing with them. To me, with modesty, they are Muslims and should be treated on this basis. Being a Muslim means being peaceful and fearing God so much that a person will not inflect harm on an insect even, if God does not permit him/her too. However, sometimes the devil tries to portray for a Muslim, and a non Muslim also, that something bad which he or she is doing is actually right. He tries to make them think in this case that they "Fath Al-Islam" are fighting the enemies of God so they don't think that they are doing anything wrong but only that they are defending not themselves actually but the religion of Allah, glory be to Him. I think they are doing so out of good intentions. Of course, I don't agree with their method(s), however, they in no way should be treated as enemies. We should find a way to find a common ground with them, especially that the government's prime minister and mainly the ones who are supporting him are Sunni's meaning almost of the same religious sects as "Fath Al-Islam". Mr. Hassan Nasr'Allah did suggest as I recall talking to them or at least finding a peaceful way to communicate with them and that is what should actually be done. I repeat they are Muslims and I know for sure that anyone who truly believes that there is no god but Allah and that Mohammad is his prophet (PBUH) is a good hearted person even though he/she might be making mistakes in some areas. I should be helping them to become better Muslims fighting the devil who is able to see us while we can't and not helping the devil against them. The case is true even with none Muslims, for helping someone be a better person is far better than eliminating them. However, some persons do so much harm that they don't deserve to be good and thus earn good things in life. But these are not the ones I'm referring to currently.
To give you a simple example, sometimes in my own family I have people who inflict harm on me and I become so upset with them that I might want everything bad to happen to them if not be dead! But if I fear God and obey Him, glory be to Him, I try to tolerate their harm and be kinder to them than they are to me, and eventually I gain because I wouldn't be losing a relative and I would be benefiting from other good things they have. I just need to be patient and understanding as much as needed. My and every human being's ultimate enemy is the devil whom I should fight and take him as enemy, so that when someone/person does, God forbid, anything bad to me I fight the devil first and then check if the person is partly a devil him or herself ;) Try it I think you'll be amazed at how better things can be with the fellow human beings.
(Hanadi Hijazi)

Mark Ward said...

Hanadi, interesting points. I think if you stick around, conversations around here are going to get mighty interesting, especially with some of the Fundamentalist Christians on the site.

I putting up a post later today that might give you some perspective on how young people in our country feel about the state of the world right now. You will probably enjoy it.