Fuck you, Dad! I can have whatever soda I want to have!!! You're not the boss of me!!!
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Fascinating. Mark equates the government with being the Father who is the boss of everyone in every little detail of life. Let's just compare that the foundational principles of this country:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Mark opposes the Right to Life… (abortion)
…the right to Liberty… (this post)
…and the pursuit of Happiness. (just achieving wealth is evil in his view)
all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
Unless they are gay, then they can fuck off. Oh, and also if they don't have photo ID. Then they can't vote. And you think the Constitution is the supreme law of the land...tsk tsk:)
Mark equates the government with being the Father
I think you guys set up that paradigm all by your little lonesome. I'm an adult so for me the government is a peer and partner.
Does everyone have the "right" to do every single they want? Is there a "right" to vote illegally? Rob banks? Spread disease? Abuse people?
And you think the Constitution is the supreme law of the land
So where in the Constitution does it say the Federal government has any say in marriage one way or the other? Where does the Constitution say illegal/illegitimate voting is to be protected?
I think you guys set up that paradigm all by your little lonesome. I'm an adult so for me the government is a peer and partner.
Wow, a comment comprised entirely of questions. I think that might be a new record for you. I don't understand why it's so difficult for you to simply write a few short sentences stating your position. I would then respond by saying "I disagree and here's why." Or could start of that way, based on my post.
Oh, and by the way, you really have your head up your ass regarding the Socratic Method.
The goal of this activity is to have participants work together to construct meaning and arrive at an answer, not for one student or one group to “win the argument.”
We do this in class all the time. There isn't one group that pummels the other with questions, ending there. Pay attention to #6 and #7.
I am asking YOU about YOUR claims. Am I just supposed to read your mind and tellYOU what YOU are thinking?
How long did you have to search to find a definition of the Socratic Method that didn't include discovering flaws in thinking and strengthening critical thinking skills?
I've used links that showed up at the top of the search engine, mostly this one:
Socrates engaged in questioning of his students in an unending search for truth. He sought to get to the foundations of his students' and colleagues' views by asking continual questions until a contradiction was exposed, thus proving the fallacy of the initial assumption. This became known as the Socratic Method, and may be Socrates' most enduring contribution to philosophy. … The Socratic Method is not used at Chicago to intimidate, nor to "break down" new law students, but instead for the very reason Socrates developed it: to develop critical thinking skills in students and enable them to approach the law as intellectuals.
The Socratic method is a negative method of hypothesis elimination, in that better hypotheses are found by steadily identifying and eliminating those that lead to contradictions. The Socratic method searches for general, commonly held truths that shape opinion, and scrutinizes them to determine their consistency with other beliefs. The basic form is a series of questions formulated as tests of logic and fact intended to help a person or group discover their beliefs about some topic, exploring the definitions or logoi (singular logos), seeking to characterize the general characteristics shared by various particular instances. The extent to which this method is employed to bring out definitions implicit in the interlocutors' beliefs, or to help them further their understanding, is called the method of maieutics. Aristotle attributed to Socrates the discovery of the method of definition and induction, which he regarded as the essence of the scientific method.
If there is a 'classic' Socratic Method, this designation must refer to the style of the Socratic Method found primarily in the early dialogues (also called the ‘Socratic Dialogues’) and some other dialogues of Plato. In these dialogues, Socrates claims to have no knowledge of even the most fundamental principles, such as justice, holiness, friendship or virtue. In the Socratic dialogues, Socrates only wants short answers that address very specific points and refuses to move on to more advanced or complicated topics until an adequate understanding of basic principles is achieved. This means that the conversation is often stuck in the attempt to answer what appears to be an unanswerable basic question. This image of Socrates' conversations, with their typical failure to find an answer, is the most widely recognized portrait of Socrates and his method.
Gee, that sounds … familiar …
The Classic Socratic Method uses creative questioning to dismantle and discard preexisting ideas and thereby allows the respondent to rethink the primary question under discussion (such as 'What is virtue?'). This deconstructive style of the Socratic Method is ‘Socratic’ precisely to the extent that the weight of the actual deconstruction of a definition rests in the respondent’s own answers to more questions, which refute the respondent's previously stated answer to the primary question. The result of the Classic Socratic Method is, by definition, a failure to find a satisfactory answer to the primary question in a conversation. This failure produces a realization of ignorance in the respondent (Socratic Effect) which can, it is hoped, inspire the respondent to dig deep and think about the question with a new freedom that is obtained from discarding a previously held belief. If a satisfactory answer is found, this represents a transition to the ‘Modern Socratic Method.’
The ultimate goal of the Socratic Method is to increase understanding through inquiry. Obtaining an enhanced freedom to think through discarding preexisting bad ideas is the penultimate goal of the classic style of the Socratic Method.
I can't seem to find the part where you answer questions...hmm...that would mean that we'd "dismantle and discard" your pre-existing and very bad ideas...oh, but that's right...I forgot...you're in the bubble. All of your ideas are good:)
The disconnect with your whole 'adolescent power fantasy' bullshit is that in order to it to actually make any sense the 'adolescents' have to actually have someone fulfilling the role of 'parents'. Otherwise there IS NOTHING for them to be having a power fantasy about.
Basically by calling it a fantasy you actually prove that it IS NOT.
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Fascinating. Mark equates the government with being the Father who is the boss of everyone in every little detail of life. Let's just compare that the foundational principles of this country:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Mark opposes the Right to Life… (abortion)
…the right to Liberty… (this post)
…and the pursuit of Happiness. (just achieving wealth is evil in his view)
Should we just call you King George the 4th?
all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
Unless they are gay, then they can fuck off. Oh, and also if they don't have photo ID. Then they can't vote. And you think the Constitution is the supreme law of the land...tsk tsk:)
Mark equates the government with being the Father
I think you guys set up that paradigm all by your little lonesome. I'm an adult so for me the government is a peer and partner.
Does everyone have the "right" to do every single they want? Is there a "right" to vote illegally? Rob banks? Spread disease? Abuse people?
And you think the Constitution is the supreme law of the land
So where in the Constitution does it say the Federal government has any say in marriage one way or the other? Where does the Constitution say illegal/illegitimate voting is to be protected?
I think you guys set up that paradigm all by your little lonesome. I'm an adult so for me the government is a peer and partner.
You need to be reminded of your own words?
Fuck you, Dad.
Wow, a comment comprised entirely of questions. I think that might be a new record for you. I don't understand why it's so difficult for you to simply write a few short sentences stating your position. I would then respond by saying "I disagree and here's why." Or could start of that way, based on my post.
Oh, and by the way, you really have your head up your ass regarding the Socratic Method.
http://www.corndancer.com/tunes/tunes_print/soccirc.pdf
The goal of this activity is to have participants work together to construct meaning and arrive at an answer, not for one student or one group to “win the argument.”
We do this in class all the time. There isn't one group that pummels the other with questions, ending there. Pay attention to #6 and #7.
I am asking YOU about YOUR claims. Am I just supposed to read your mind and tell YOU what YOU are thinking?
How long did you have to search to find a definition of the Socratic Method that didn't include discovering flaws in thinking and strengthening critical thinking skills?
I've used links that showed up at the top of the search engine, mostly this one:
Socrates engaged in questioning of his students in an unending search for truth. He sought to get to the foundations of his students' and colleagues' views by asking continual questions until a contradiction was exposed, thus proving the fallacy of the initial assumption. This became known as the Socratic Method, and may be Socrates' most enduring contribution to philosophy.
…
The Socratic Method is not used at Chicago to intimidate, nor to "break down" new law students, but instead for the very reason Socrates developed it: to develop critical thinking skills in students and enable them to approach the law as intellectuals.
Here are some others:
What Is the Socratic Method?
Use the Socratic Method to Easily Win Arguments
What Is the Socratic Method?
The Socratic Method: What it is and How to Use it in the Classroom
The Socratic Method
Socratic Method
The Socratic method is a negative method of hypothesis elimination, in that better hypotheses are found by steadily identifying and eliminating those that lead to contradictions. The Socratic method searches for general, commonly held truths that shape opinion, and scrutinizes them to determine their consistency with other beliefs. The basic form is a series of questions formulated as tests of logic and fact intended to help a person or group discover their beliefs about some topic, exploring the definitions or logoi (singular logos), seeking to characterize the general characteristics shared by various particular instances. The extent to which this method is employed to bring out definitions implicit in the interlocutors' beliefs, or to help them further their understanding, is called the method of maieutics. Aristotle attributed to Socrates the discovery of the method of definition and induction, which he regarded as the essence of the scientific method.
This one goes into the most depth on what we actually know about his methods: Introduction to the Socratic Method and its Effect on Critical Thinking
If there is a 'classic' Socratic Method, this designation must refer to the style of the Socratic Method found primarily in the early dialogues (also called the ‘Socratic Dialogues’) and some other dialogues of Plato. In these dialogues, Socrates claims to have no knowledge of even the most fundamental principles, such as justice, holiness, friendship or virtue. In the Socratic dialogues, Socrates only wants short answers that address very specific points and refuses to move on to more advanced or complicated topics until an adequate understanding of basic principles is achieved. This means that the conversation is often stuck in the attempt to answer what appears to be an unanswerable basic question. This image of Socrates' conversations, with their typical failure to find an answer, is the most widely recognized portrait of Socrates and his method.
Gee, that sounds … familiar …
The Classic Socratic Method uses creative questioning to dismantle and discard preexisting ideas and thereby allows the respondent to rethink the primary question under discussion (such as 'What is virtue?'). This deconstructive style of the Socratic Method is ‘Socratic’ precisely to the extent that the weight of the actual deconstruction of a definition rests in the respondent’s own answers to more questions, which refute the respondent's previously stated answer to the primary question. The result of the Classic Socratic Method is, by definition, a failure to find a satisfactory answer to the primary question in a conversation. This failure produces a realization of ignorance in the respondent (Socratic Effect) which can, it is hoped, inspire the respondent to dig deep and think about the question with a new freedom that is obtained from discarding a previously held belief. If a satisfactory answer is found, this represents a transition to the ‘Modern Socratic Method.’
The ultimate goal of the Socratic Method is to increase understanding through inquiry. Obtaining an enhanced freedom to think through discarding preexisting bad ideas is the penultimate goal of the classic style of the Socratic Method.
I can't seem to find the part where you answer questions...hmm...that would mean that we'd "dismantle and discard" your pre-existing and very bad ideas...oh, but that's right...I forgot...you're in the bubble. All of your ideas are good:)
I'm an adult so for me the government is a peer and partner.
Really? This from the man that sees an ad for McDonalds and his pavlovian response is to run to the nearest burger joint?
The disconnect with your whole 'adolescent power fantasy' bullshit is that in order to it to actually make any sense the 'adolescents' have to actually have someone fulfilling the role of 'parents'. Otherwise there IS NOTHING for them to be having a power fantasy about.
Basically by calling it a fantasy you actually prove that it IS NOT.
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