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Wednesday, November 21, 2007

Indoctrinate U Trailer

Crabmaster Scracth just sent me this video and I think it really illustrates two things.

First, this is how the right manages the message and appeals to fear, manufacturing a controversy and flat out lying.

Second, it is a shining example of how the right is now hilariously portraying themselves as victims. I thought they hated that?

Ah well, anything to move one step closer to all of us thinking the same....

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

You just can't take the heat!

I don't see anyone claiming victimhood...I see liberals who probably aren't going to like what they see in that trailer. You all know that element of the left exists. I see liberals at "public" universities doing "whatever they want" (booting the military off campus????).

Judging by the responses I have been reading on Kevins blog to you, you're one of the last people to tell anyone "what conservatives think".

It's just the ideological opposite of the documentary films you love. Don't complain if you can't take the heat!!!!

All day baby!!!!

Anonymous said...

i don't quite get it (mark or last in line) it looks great -- the trailer: although even with hi-speed wireless where i am, it kept breaking up so maybe that affected my understanding! but i don't think so..) what an original, relevant & good subject : DIVERSITY of THOUGHT (the silencing of it) on US Campuses. Can't wait to see the movie :-) hope it gets national + dvd release. thanks! for bringing it to attention.

Anonymous said...

...the reason i don't quite get it, is because why is mark assuming the kid's right wing? He seems to defending the rights of a student labeled by the prof for example or at least questioning the radical label (no? i might be mistaken) and showing diverse protest images from anti-war protestors to other signs, all of which are a VERY NATURAL EXPRESSION OF DIVERSITY OF OPINIONS AND VOICES in a campus setting... again, that might not be the take of the film, but the music and the images give the impression of an INVESTIGATIVE doc, checking out the lack of freedom of expression for students in modern-day politically correct campuses...

Anonymous said...

Oh my God...the sky is turning black; the seventh seal has been shown...JustDave agrees with CrazyJoan.

(And you have it spot on...one of the speakers is Greg Lukianoff, a lawyer for FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights in Education) who is a self-proclaimed liberal fighting for free speech for all; not just those who agree with the establishment.)

Anonymous said...

I'm guessing it won't get a huge national release and it won't be in the theaters like a Michael Moore film would be.

Joanne, we all get it. It's Mark projecting again. He had the same knee-jerk reaction he accuses others of engaging in. He also knows ALL ABOUT the film without even having seen it yet (something he often accuses people who criticize Michael Moore films of doing). To be fair, I'm going to buy this and Mark told me on Sunday he would indeed watch it.

He also knows that the nappy-headed (heehee) college kids you see in that trailor ARE the moveon.org crowd.

One of the people being interviewed in that is a liberal? Was he the one manufacturing fear or flat out lying?

AAAHAAHAAHAA.......thanks Dave. You get a cookie.

Anonymous said...

thank u for calling me Crazy. coming from you JD, that's a compliment :) enhanced by your uniquely readable creative writing.

Anonymous said...

AAAHAAHAAHAA....... You get a cookie. ??? :))

That's so sesame street meets tomorrow's world cool. and IM THE crazy 1 !? :-) That's why i tune into this blog. because it's FULL of unique (thinking) people and their (funny tragic or ultra-sarcastic,, no prizes...) insights, mark included, i don't know him close-up like you all seem to, just through the etherwaves, but at least he brings us together -- so we can gang up on him & beat him up.... je jest...:) it's just so FUN being temporarily embraced by the (in theory) ideological opponent :)

Mark Ward said...

I will watch the film, no prob.

My issue is this: how relevant is this? And how many people are being muzzled on campuses around America. Sounds like the whole "liberals hate Christmas" thing again.

Ah well, I will reserve complete judgement until I see the film.

Anonymous said...

Joanne, I highly suggest knowing Mark close-up. Of all the people I know he's the only one who could put the "fun" back in "funeral".

johnwaxey said...

I don't know about the clip, but I will tell you all that I have been witness to several shameful incidents in which people shouted each other down to prevent some message from being verbalized whether it was issues on the West Bank or the war in Iraq. As a consequence of the several jobs I have, I end up frequenting the University of Wisconsin - Madison campus and have seen the limits of intolerance from what appears to be both sides of the aisle.

I think the concept of shouting over anyone to the point of drowning the other person out is repugnant. Campuses should be bastions of free speech for all concerned and people should be big enough and confident enough in their own beliefs to allow others to communicate. I differ with Last in Line on the military issue as I think the military has no business in that setting. But for that matter, and I will catch no end of shit for this opinion as well, I don't think semi-professional sports should be allowed on campus either. I fail to see how these activities are in any way involved with academics and yet they garner more than their share of campus resources. I have no problem with sports (not exactly true), but those should be extra-curricular, off-campus activities. Very off-topic I know.

Anonymous said...

Sports brings in the money. It's all about the cash.

Good points John.

I don't see an issue with having a recruiting office on campus though. Lord knows the military aren't the ones disrupting events, shouting people down, etc, they just have a recruiting office. If I were king...a university that doesn't want the US military on it's campus gets no federal funding of any kind. Can't have the ying without the yang. But that's just me...

Anonymous said...

I would be very interested to know what mark honestly thinks of the film. i don't think i can get a hold of it where i am though having said that, EVERY other brand new film is currently available on the black market for less than a dollar! (the unadvanced world's capitalism :)

great points made by JW & last in line re freedom to self express, lobbying on campus (lobbying may be strong but im told on some campuses the military is very pro-active in its recruiting efforts, that may not be everywhere but i know there are quotas to fill or the recruiter is out of the military :) the diluting of academic subjects in favour of glitzier sports and TRUE: re money talking and federal funding. I hope the film bravely brings some of these (or other important) issues up.

FUN in funeral...now that would be a unique person :)

Anonymous said...

I was told I could no longer participate in classroom discussions at Auburn University when I said bad things about Donald Rumsfeld. But who wants to make aspartame illegal again anyway?

Mark Ward said...

Hmm...well I wonder if that is the type of repression Crabmaster is talking about? Hee hee...somehow I doubt it...

Anonymous said...

...and I doubt that story about Auburn is true. How quickly some people "believe" things.

You want to see repression of speech just watch the film in question. Projecting, projecting, projecting.

Anonymous said...

It’s a post-holiday day off and I’m sitting w/ my laptop writing to you people…how sad is that. I’ll make it brief then and do something really meaningful, like sit in front my PlayStation with my boys.

No sports at university? Sports at school dates back hundreds and hundreds of years. The MN vs WI rivalry alone dates back 115+ years. I’m getting a vision of the people who post here whom I don’t know…it’s a vision of that little guy who’s last to be picked in gym class. Perhaps my view of sports and education is skewed from always being the 1st guy picked (ok, that’s an exaggeration, but I was always in the top 3) so I’m insensitive to their plight, but competition, academically and athletically, go hand-in-hand. And even if you dislike the commercialism of college sports today (don’t even get me going on how the Bowl games are now all “sponsored”!!), the fact of the matter is, competition is part of education (except to those folks of the ilk that say we shouldn’t even grade papers because some poor soul might not get an A and we don’t want them to feel bad) and the money generated helps run many other aspects of the entire university system.

Military off campus? The military is as legitimate an employer as anyone else and to say they are not allowed on campus is ridiculous and discriminatory. If the military is banned, a) bye-bye all gov’t funding and b) be fair about it, remove ALL recruiters from campus. …but then, if employers are not the culmination of education, then what’s the point of education?

Bias in university administrators? This is a topic near and dear. Obnoxious student groups shouting down one another is one thing, but it’s the faculty/administration’s bias that is the real problem. …An issue I’ve had a fair deal of firsthand experience with by taking those ridiculously biased classes that bridge multiple requirements. You know the ones: “American Studies”, “Women’s Studies”, etc. I’ve never seen a conservative based bias from an instructor such as anonymous has said but that’s not to say that they don’t exist. (That said, I do find it very hard to believe the Rumsfeld comment being that he was the whipping boy for the administration for so long…) I could list off a dozen personal experiences, but suffice it to say that I’ve written several papers with a disclaimer at the top stating that although I don’t believe what I’m about to write, here’s the answer to the test question…

Mark Ward said...

Of course it can't be true, Crab, because all universities are liberal, right? Isn't that what happens when you continually drink the red kool aid? It can't possibly be true!!!

Dave, I am with you on sports and the military. I was always the last kid picked but I love sports. I think it is an excellent way to nurture individual growth. It doesn't matter what sport it is but a physcial balance is necessary in life along with emotional, mental and spiritual balances.

I am also a big fan of the military. I think it is a great way for kids to get ahead in life, learn skills, and understand what it means to serve your country. When used correctly (unlike now), the military can do a wealth of good in the world.

I would love to read some of your papers from college. It's so funny to hear conservatives bluster when confronted with how badly America has screwed up over the years. It's just....impossible!! It can't be true!! We're perfect, right?

Anonymous said...

You make several extremely gigantic leaps in that last post. There should be no need to engage in that if you are secure in your arguments. To be fair, I'd be against repressing criticism of Rumsfeld. The thing is, Mark knows it is leftists shouting people down, disrupting events, vandalizing military recruiting offices, etc.

I don't see where anyone said we're perfect.

My other point was only about how you seemed to accept the Rumsfeld bit so easily. Not a question I see, just accept it and move on....sounds like your description of conservatives. Projecting, projecting, projecting.

JustDave...Playstation? You're justlame now.

Anonymous said...

I attended AU 04-06 and the history prof. always got in his shots about Bush but wouldn't let anybody stick up for him. Man I was so young and innocent just three years ago.
McWhorter was the guys name.

johnwaxey said...

Just Dave...What a gigantic laugh...you really don't know a thing about most of the people who post here do you? I made the statement to the ends that the military should not be present on campus and I also made the crack about sports on campuses. I was never the first or second person picked for sports...I was the captain. I was the one choosing people to play for me. I lettered in high school for three years in Cross Country and played basketball for 2. When I quit, the coach asked me to come back to help hold the team together.

What changed my mind was living with the Golden Gopher football team for 2 years in Sanford Hall. I heard all of the lousy things they did and got away with. Saw all the disgraceful behavior, saw firsthand the stream of money and goods that were pushed in front of the players. I was turned away from athletic facilities built with school dollars. Anyone that thinks that sports in schools in this day and era is not professional is extraordinarily naive. Anyone who has had a large number of athletes in their classes (like I have as lecturer at the University of Wisconsin - Madison) knows the special arrangements that are made for athletes who have no business attending a big university at the expense of others. The historical precedence for sports on campus runs perilously thin when it comes to the way sports are today. I have no problem with sports being conducted off-campus. If students want to participate, it is a great opportunity, but not using state-run and owned facilities.

As for the military, sure they are a legitimate employer, name one other employer that gets the access that the military does. Should IBM or Apple or Haliburton have special facilities on-campus and access to students? I think not, and if they did, it would be corporate welfare. Am I against capitalism and business? Hell no...I sit on the board of directors of a very succesful small/medium sized business. We are all about profit and look forward to increases in gas prices as it will only increase the usefulness of our product. I have access to the inner circle of business through other board members, guys who have advised Johnson's Wax, Case, etc.

So Just Dave, good luck on your guesses and estimates...so far, very off the mark.

Anonymous said...

Hey John, congratulations on your nomination to the women’s cross country team! Dad must be very proud! I made my comment somewhat in jest and not at you in particular, but if you want to compare resumes, you can’t even carry my jock. …3 letters in football (all state tournament runs (starting on both sides of the ball)), 2 basketball (both to sections), baseball and 2 track & field (as an 8th grader & freshman and sectional finals as a freshman))(sadly they cut the program after that year to make way for standard liberal title IX crap so I couldn’t continue the sport I most excelled at so they could make way for women’s golf…which nobody even tried out for!!!). Oh, and I played a little college football. Hang it up buddy, you’re not going to win a pissing contest with me…

Military… whatever. You’re not going to change my opinion and I’m not going to change yours. We’ll see how it pans out. I’m guessing that since sports/military have been on campus longer than the 2 of us, you liberals can meddle all you want, but they’ll still be here.

Oh, and lots of employers have plenty of access to schools. Look at the line up of lecturers at Carlson School of Mgmt for example. And they don’t even provide school funding like the gov’t does. Long story short, if a person gives a gift, courtesy says they shouldn’t expect something in return, but gov’t grants just might entail a little preferential treatment.

Anonymous said...

...how sad is this...arguing over high school/college resumes from 20 years ago. But I guess, those are the times that define someone's life for years to come.

johnwaxey said...

I sure as hell am not in a pissing contest with you, simply refuting your overly simplistic view of people who disagree with you. I know it must be hard to hear that not all non-conservatives are shrinking violets in the light of your awesomeness...but there it is. As for how we define our past and present, again, you wouldn't have the slightest idea how I or anyone else defines themselves (nor would you be likely to care), that tends to be a personal matter. Soooo, piss away, you won't need to look beyond the wall in front of you, there is no one else standing there.