Seems to me that President Obama not only pulled us back from the brink of disaster but has added many private sector jobs. How about Governor Perry? Anderson Cooper analyzed all of this in a segment on his show Wednesday night. It turns out that federal government jobs were up 7% in Texas and state government jobs were up 8.4 percent. Local government jobs were up 6.1 percent. Of the many new jobs arising in Texas, some are government jobs and some come from President Obama himself! In addition, Perry took 6.4 billion dollars in federal stimulus money in 2009 so one has to wonder how much of that had to do with Texas' job growth.
Governor Perry also told a young boy on the campaign trail that Texas teaches both creationism and evolution in schools. Completely false, as explained here. And, for whatever bizarre reason, Perry recently said there was a federal regulation that required farmers to obtain a commercial license to drive their tractor on the highway. Also, not fucking true.
Perry, of course, isn't the only one saying things that are complete lies. Mitt Romney recently stated that the United States is "inches away" from not being capitalist anymore. That earned him a "Pants on Fire" rating from Politifact. Apparently, he was doubling down on his earlier "inches away from not having a free market" statement last June. Well, I guess he has the audience for this garbage so why not just say whatever he feels like regardless of the facts.
It will also come as no surprise that Michele Bachmann has joined in as well. This statement
What people recognize is that there’s a fear that the United States is in an unstoppable decline. They see the rise of China, the rise of India, the rise of the Soviet Union and our loss militarily going forward. And especially with this very bad debt ceiling bill, what we have done is given a favor to President Obama and the first thing he’ll whack is five hundred billion out of the military defense at a time when we’re fighting three wars. People recognize that.
is filled with so many ridiculous things I don't even know where to begin. The rise of the Soviet Union? Seriously? Bachmann also has naturally blamed the S&P downgrade on the president and offered her position against the raising of the debt ceiling as being proof she was right. The problem here is that S&P's reason for the downgrade was because of Ms. Bachmann's views.
In an interview on Fox News, Standard & Poors' managing director John Chambers seemed to express disapproval that it took so long for Congress to raise the debt ceiling. He said President Barack Obama "characterized the political system as dysfunctional, I think that's a good word. We got to a position where we were within 10 hours of having a major cash flow problem. This is not what happens in other countries," Chambers said on Aug. 8.
I suppose we are all going to have to get used to this malarky for the next 14 months. When they are this ridiculous, however, one has to wonder...who are the people out there that believe this shit?
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FWIW, I agree with you M, that the Republicans running for President are for the most part an insane clown posse. That only makes Obama look better in comparison - not good on his own.
The United States spends almost as much on its military as the rest of the world put together. Yes, that includes Russia, China, North Korea, Libya, Iran and every other country in the world.
The reason Republicans cite for not being able to cut defense spending is that we're fighting three wars. Whose fault is that? We should have finished the job of squashing Al Qaeda in Afghanistan quickly and then got out. Instead, Bush putzed around and let bin Laden escape to Pakistan, where Bush was too afraid to go for fear of displeasing Pakistan, which had been lying to us and stabbing us in the back for years. Then Bush lied about WMDs and 9/11 and got us stuck in the quagmire of Iraq. These wars were disastrously mismanaged blunders, though the military has done a fabulous job given the idiotic decisions Bush forced upon them.
I'm not really sure that I'd call what we're doing in Libya a war. It's very much like what we did in Serbia to dislodge Slobodan Milosevic. It's basically pest control, only with bigger rats.
Bachmann's rant shows how disingenuous the Republican position is on the debt: they want to cut everything, except for the things they like, which includes the military and subsidies for oil companies. Many military hardware projects, like the F22 jet fighter that has cost hundreds of billions of dollars and still hasn't flown a single military mission in 20 years, just never get canceled even though they're worthless turkeys.
My wife worked many years for a company that did defense contracting. The level of lying and dishonesty on military contracts is appalling. My first job was working on a military project that was never going to go anywhere. Our guys didn't lie or cheat, but after a year I could see it was a total dead end and moved on.
2nd paragraph...Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush.
Moveon.now
Besides, the man you voted for campaigned on getting us out of there within a few months. What? You mean Obama fudged a little bit on that one? You mean the GOP is doing that too now? I'm like, totally shocked this is all happening! It's like, something new and stuff.
If we're still there, it means Obama wants us there.
I agree with your statement above, juris but don't understand why the president doesn't at least rate an above average from you. Both GDP growth and jobs came back under his administration. He got bin Laden and Gaddafi is about to go bye bye. Assad looks to be next. He did the best he could considering what he was dealt. I don't understand what you definition of "bad" is, I guess.
Last, take a look at this
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdphighlights.pdf
Considering where we were and where we are now, I don't see how anyone can say that the president's policies didn't pull us out of the ditch. And one could look at the first two quarters of this year and see the less growth and wonder about extending those tax cuts. I have been told many times that if we cut taxes, the economy will take off. It didn't. Now what?
In addition, it's impossible to move on from Bush considering we are still paying the interest on his mistakes. 350 billion a year for 10 years, dude.
I don't understand what you definition of "bad" is, I guess.
I'd give him a pass on the economy - since it isn't under his control anyway (which also means the bad economy wasn't Bush's fault either). But Obama'a record on expanding govt, intrusion on civil rights, govt secrecy etc. is worse than Bush. You cannot put the blame for that on anyone but the guy you adore.
Hear that all you dumb fucking lefties - your dream boat is a bigger ass-bite on civil rights than BUSHITLER. You might notice that if you weren't all down on your knees in front of him.
How exactly has he intruded on civil rights? Gun rights are better than they have ever been. You can now carry a gun in a federal park or on a train. As far as secrecy goes, I guess I'm looking for more specifics before I agree or disagree.
Just for accuracy:
You can't 'carry' guns on a train. You can check your unloaded firearm in your luggage, just like you can on airlines.
How exactly has he intruded on civil rights?
You have to FUCKING ask? Don't you pay ANY attention? Let's start with the worst! The Obama Administration has a classified interpretation of surveillance law - you don't even get to know what is or is not legal. Even the Bush Admin - the stuff of your nightmares - didn't do that. This Admin puts itself above the law even moreso than Bush did - and you all just about died hyperventilating about that. Now you sit in silent ignorance. They haven't just kept the Patriot Act - they have expanded it, secretly!
You are the worst fucking human beings imaginable - every bit as disgusting as the worst Republican neo-con scum. You don't care about the country - you only care about the Democratic Party having power. I don't think even Rove or Atwater stooped so low.
Congratulations to you all.
I don't sit in silent ignorance. It's my opinion that certain leaders can be trusted with this power and others can't. You don't think anyone can be trusted, correct?
In looking at our recent history, we see that FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, and President Obama have all demonstrated that at the center of their use of government power is the security of this nation. They know things that you and I don, juris, so it's really hard for either of us to judge. Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Bush, and Bush II are all illustrative of how that power can be abused. Then we have Reagan who both used the power in an effective and positive way yet also abused it. In my view, it's relative depending upon the leaders.
It's my opinion that certain leaders can be trusted with this power and others can't.
That's because you are partisan hack who believes ANY Democrat is worthy of trust. One day that is going to bite you in the ass - real hard. The fact that you bitched your ass off about actions taken by the Bush Admin that are being surpassed in sleaziness by Obama's Admin and you offer not a peep - really does say it all.
Really, you ought to have Bill the Cat as your mascot - hack, hack, hacking up hairballs.
I don't get how he is a partisan hack when he praises Ike and Reagan and rips Johnson.
He's even handed with Reagan - which granted is better than most liberal/progressive/lefties. Other than that his lists lean VERY heavily in partisan directions. Ike and LBJ are the exceptions to total and complete partisanship. Woopie-doo.
I just really do find it fascinating that the Obama Admin can do things that had you people screaming during the Bush years. That tells me a lot. Your silence and/or denial tells me even more.
>Considering where we were and where we are now, I don't see how anyone can say that the president's policies didn't pull us out of the ditch.
You sound pretty sure we are out of the ditch.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Economy-slowed-sharply-in-apf-1144260413.html?x=0
Durable goods orders tanked April and June, losing more than 2% in each month, while May only saw an increase of 1.9%. Imports increased in the final month, too, which push downward on GDP growth.
I also admire how the govt exclused gas prices and food prices from their inflation statistics. How creative. Add those 2 in and then talk to us. You blew a gasket at $2.75 a gallon during the Bush years and we've been over $3/gallon for the last couple years.
>I have been told many times that if we cut taxes, the economy will take off. It didn't. Now what?
I have a hunch nobody told you it would "take off". I heard Obama say that raising taxes in the state we are in would not be good.
>In addition, it's impossible to move on from Bush considering we are still paying the interest on his mistakes.
It's impossible to move on because as you have said on this blog, every problem has a point of origin, and you and blk are very reluctant to pin anything on Obama. You need Bush on that wall.
New budgets are created each year with the new congress allocating the spending that will occur going forward. Obama was going to go through the budgets, line by line, and take out useless spending. Must not have gotten around to that yet.
It's not that I need Bush on the wall. He's the one that caused our problems. I could pretend that he didn't cause all of this just to be nice and try to find more fault with what Obama is doing but I no longer belong to the Cult of Both Sides. Facts are facts. Obama has certainly made mistakes but blaming him as much as is being done right now is ludicrous.
It would be like me witnessing a car crash and then using the water I had in my car to help put out the fire. When my actions don't put out the fire, I get yelled at for the fire? And then when I explain who is responsible for the crash to the police, the families of the drivers of each car say that I didn't use enough water and I should just move past what caused it...that the fire got bigger because I didn't use enough water? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Bush policies caused our problems and Obama policies pulled us out of the ditch, all in the same discussion thread markadelphia. That's hilarious. Fact is that we are in the middle of the economic agenda that democrats passed into law.
He's the one that caused our problems.
And Obama the Magnificent saved us!!!
Sheesh. You complain about other people being childish and then you imbue the Presidency (the office, not necessarily the individual) with god-like power. Granted, that puts you smack in the middle of the Cult of Both Sides (which is an awfully big cult), but it hardly entitles you to wearing the big boy pants.
>He's the one that caused our problems.
...and all the positive things you point out on here and up being the result of Obama policies.
Positive things - Obamas policies worked!
Negative things - those are carryover from the Bush years.
That pattern is consistent.
In my view, you're pretty relative.
Look, Obama is not perfect. He won't come out fully for gay marriage simply because of politics. That's an example of a fault that has no tie to Bush. His handling of the BP oil spill could have been more aggressive. That's a fault not related to Bush.
But if you look at most of the issues he faces, Bush created the problems. The economy, the debt, AfPak, Iraq, Gitmo...any mistakes Obama has made are not the causes of the problem. When it comes to the economy and the debt, reality dictates that none of this is on Obama...even though he has been person enough to continually take responsibility for it. The American people, thankfully, blame Bush, Wall Street, and Congress before Obama so at least they are aware of this.
In the past, I know that you have argued that the stimulus was a mistake and made things worse. Is that your contention because you don't like Keynesian economics? Or because it really didn't work? People like Krugman say it was too little. The other thing to consider here is the elements we don't know about. For example, suppose Obama is debating the stimulus and he gets a call from the Chinese saying that Russia has offered to buy their share of the US debt and then dump it on the open market as junk. China declines of course but warns the US to act more aggressively in response to the debt and our economy. What would you do?
Right, or as Frank J. put it, “Obama inherited his problems from Bush, and being a good steward, he’s preserved his inheritance for future generations.”
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