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Thursday, November 24, 2011

Today, I Am Thankful For...

...the rest of America starting to wake up...


...the support that the Occupy movement is giving to local businesses...


...Elizabeth Warren, current running for Senate against Scott Brown in Massachusetts.


....and our nation's 26th president for stating something so eloquently that is sadly still true today.

Mr. President, you and I are on the exact same page, sir!

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Just out of curiosity, what misconduct have the Koch brothers committed?

-just dave said...

Great post! You're right, my head was spinnin'…at the logic of Elizabeth Warren.

…on roads the rest of us paid for.
…workers the rest of us paid to educate.
…police forces and fire forces the rest of us paid for.

Her logic has just one teensy-weensy flaw; the factory owner pays taxes too. Probably a lot. And an awful lot of people pay very little or no taxes and use those services too. So, who's getting the free ride? (No need to answer, we all know…)

Actually, now that I think of it…perhaps a good post would be an examination of what those who pay little to no taxes actually receive in governmental services. (For instance, my brother the cop can attest that he spends a great deal more time in the less affluent areas of town on a nightly basis..) Sure, it would probably come across as pretty mean spirited, but hey, mean-spiritedness is what Republicans are for.

sasquatch said...

No comment on the first one, Dave? How about last in line who said recently that the Occupiers had lost the narrative? With brokers now occupying, I'll take the kind of a "loss" any day!

-just dave said...

No comment required. America takes all kinds. There's no shortage of groups on the right one would not immediately consider as well...like the Log Cabin Republicans, the National Black Republican Assoc., the Republican National Hispanic Assembly, etc., so the fact that a number (perhaps a lot) of police or brokers are there is not particularly shocking to me. I don't think I claimed they were all bums, just a preponderance.

Mark Ward said...

perhaps a good post would be an examination of what those who pay little to no taxes actually receive in governmental services.

I'd be happy to talk about that ridiculous "people pay no taxes" lie. Let's start with what you mean by "taxes." Federal? State? Local? Property? County? Sales?

After that, we can talk about the various corporations that don't pay any taxes due to subsidies.

last in line said...

Who cares about the first picture. I could surf the net for a couple minutes and find people who think that Elvis and Tupac are still alive - doesn't mean they are right.

Whoa, it's Elizabeth Warren! Piggybacking off of something Dave just said, "You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for." And unless the factory owner just dropped in from Planet Mars, he was paying taxes right along with you.

For someone who objects to the term class warfare, she sure draws a mighty bright line between “you” and “the rest of us.”

"Society" is not an entity to whom we can owe anything; it's a term we use to decribe certain patterns of behavior among huge numbers of individuals. There can no more be a "debt to society" than there can be a "debt to happiness".

There is no "social contract". A contract is a voluntary instrument that can be read, reviewed, and negotiated on before voluntary parties sign on to it. The "social contract" is nothing of the sort because it means whatever you lefties want it to mean and the definition is subjective and usually changes whenever you folks want it to change. No thanks.

If there are corporations that aren't paying taxes due to subsidies, it probably means that the people you voted for want it that way, or at least see no problem with it.

Hey Sasquatch, Democratic Mayors are moving your buddies in the OWS movement. Apparantly there must not be much political consequences for telling your friends in OWS to GTFO.

Mark Ward said...

Well, you can voluntarily choose to leave this country if you don't like paying higher taxes. No one is keeping you here.

The infrastructure that we have here in this country comes from tax dollars. This is what Ms. Warren speaks of in her quote here. We use a variety of things (some apparent, some not seen)every day that come from our tax dollars. Both you and dave do all the time, last. So, it smacks of the teenager bitching about the rules of the house (shocking, I tell you shocking) when you guys moan about taxes and how the government spends its money. Life may not be as grand as you imagine should some of these services disappear.

I guess what I'm saying is that the drive for austerity has several unintended consequences, the chief one of which is degradation of consumer spending (70 percent of our economy). People that get "hand outs" spend money in the economy. Take that away and what happens?

last in line said...

Nowhere in my post above did I complain that I was paying too much taxes, so I'm not sure where you got that. I'd rather vote democrats out of office anyway - that strategy worked pretty well last year.

I never denied that our infrastructure came from tax dollars. I said that the factory owner paid taxes too and that there is no such thing as a "social contract" except in your heads. 90% of your blog is bitching about the rules of the house....notice the word Obama doesn't appear on the front page of your blog (as usual).

If some of those services disappear, I will adapt...and life will go on being grand.

Mark Ward said...

.notice the word Obama doesn't appear on the front page of your blog (as usual).

Ah, that ol' ditty...I knew it had to come out soon:)

last in line said...

It's a hell of a lot more common than your "wtf has Obama done" posts that you used to do.