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Wednesday, December 07, 2011

And It Continues...

The last few days have seen some remarkable statements and calls to action by the so called 1 percent. James Theckston, a regional vice president for Chase Home Finance in southern Florida, recently detailed exactly how the financial industry led us into such a disaster.

“You’ve got somebody making $20,000 buying a $500,000 home, thinking that she’d flip it,” he said. “That was crazy, but the banks put programs together to make those kinds of loans.”

Theckston, who has a shelf full of awards that he won from Chase, such as “sales manager of the year,” showed me his 2006 performance review. It indicates that 60 percent of his evaluation depended on him increasing high-risk loans.

“The bigwigs of the corporations knew this, but they figured we’re going to make billions out of it, so who cares? The government is going to bail us out. And the problem loans will be out of here, maybe even overseas.”

Kristoff also does a great job of explaining why the Occupy movement is resonating so much with the American public and, as a result, the tide continues to turn in some very interesting places.

Ruth Porat, executive vice president and chief financial officer at Morgan Stanley, had this to say at the Economist's World in 2012 summit.

"The wealthiest can afford to pay more in taxes. That's a part of the deal. That makes sense. I don't know anyone that doesn't agree with that," Porat said. "The wealth disparity between the lowest and the highest continues to expand, and that's inappropriate."

"We cannot cut our way to greatness,
" she added.

Right. People need to sit back, breathe, and think about what government spending less will do to our economy. Even though it does need to happen, they really aren't thinking right now.

Perhaps the best illustration of the turning tide can be read in Nick Hanauer's recent article for Bloomberg titled, "Raise Taxes on Rich to Reward True Job Creators." Folks, this is the best piece I have read since Jim Manzi's "Keeping America's Edge." He starts off by introducing himself.

I’m a very rich person. As an entrepreneur and venture capitalist, I’ve started or helped get off the ground dozens of companies in industries including manufacturing, retail, medical services, the Internet and software. I founded the Internet media company aQuantive Inc., which was acquired by Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) in 2007 for $6.4 billion. I was also the first non-family investor in Amazon.com Inc. (AMZN)

So, he is one of these "job creators," right? Nope.

Even so, I’ve never been a “job creator.” I can start a business based on a great idea, and initially hire dozens or hundreds of people. But if no one can afford to buy what I have to sell, my business will soon fail and all those jobs will evaporate.

That’s why I can say with confidence that rich people don’t create jobs, nor do businesses, large or small. What does lead to more employment is the feedback loop between customers and businesses. And only consumers can set in motion a virtuous cycle that allows companies to survive and thrive and business owners to hire. An ordinary middle-class consumer is far more of a job creator than I ever have been or ever will be.

No shit. This is exactly what I have been saying all along. The simple fact that Hanauer and others like him are now saying this means we can finally obliterate this ridiculous myth and start working on our problems. The first thing that needs to be fixed?

When the American middle class defends a tax system in which the lion’s share of benefits accrues to the richest, all in the name of job creation, all that happens is that the rich get richer.And that’s what has been happening in the U.S. for the last 30 years.

Since 1980, the share of the nation’s income for fat cats like me in the top 0.1 percent has increased a shocking 400 percent, while the share for the bottom 50 percent of Americans has declined 33 percent. At the same time, effective tax rates on the superwealthy fell to 16.6 percent in 2007, from 42 percent at the peak of U.S. productivity in the early 1960s, and about 30 percent during the expansion of the 1990s. In my case, that means that this year, I paid an 11 percent rate on an eight-figure income.

And why exactly is this a problem?

One reason this policy is so wrong-headed is that there can never be enough superrich Americans to power a great economy. The annual earnings of people like me are hundreds, if not thousands, of times greater than those of the average American, but we don’t buy hundreds or thousands of times more stuff. My family owns three cars, not 3,000. I buy a few pairs of pants and a few shirts a year, just like most American men. Like everyone else, I go out to eat with friends and family only occasionally.

I can’t buy enough of anything to make up for the fact that millions of unemployed and underemployed Americans can’t buy any new clothes or enjoy any meals out. Or to make up for the decreasing consumption of the tens of millions of middle-class families that are barely squeaking by, buried by spiraling costs and trapped by stagnant or declining wages.

So, it's simply a matter of numbers. When you have an economy that is 70 percent based on consumer spending and consumers that aren't spending, you...have what we have now. So what does Hanauer recommend we do?

Significant tax increases on the about $1.5 trillion in collective income of those of us in the top 1 percent could create hundreds of billions of dollars to invest in our economy, rather than letting it pile up in a few bank accounts like a huge clot in our nation’s economic circulatory system.

Finally, someone actually admits it. They don't really invest in anything.

Consider, for example, that a puny 3 percent surtax on incomes above $1 million would be enough to maintain and expand the current payroll tax cut beyond December, preventing a $1,000 increase on the average worker’s taxes at the worst possible time for the economy. With a few more pennies on the dollar, we could invest in rebuilding schools and infrastructure. And even if we imposed a millionaires’ surtax and rolled back the Bush- era tax cuts for those at the top, the taxes on the richest Americans would still be historically low, and their incomes would still be astronomically high.

Why some folks can't understand this is completely beyond me. Obviously it has a lot to do with hubris and admission of error but perhaps it's more than that. When the central purpose of your life is being threatened with change, what meaning does your existence have?

19 comments:

juris imprudent said...

so who cares? The government is going to bail us out.

I guess you missed that part. They expected the govt to bail them out and they were right. Now, suppose they did not expect the govt to bail them out - would they have done the same thing? See the problem with our govt - it stupidly bails people out (LTCM) and then is shocked when more people make more stupid moves.

Maybe Hanauer is more of a con man.

create hundreds of billions of dollars to invest in our economy

He has that money to invest, as he has done before. So what is really going on here? He isn't saying to use it to balance the budget, or cut taxes for that job-creating middle-class consumer. Could this be another crony looking for the govt to cover his investments?

Where did Nick first get started? In his family's business - so it looks like he inherited his seed money. Sure, he's done well - so did Jon Corzine.

"We cannot cut our way to greatness,"

Nor can we spend our way to greatness - whatever the hell that is even supposed to mean. You been drinking the Brooks kool-aid again?

Nikto said...

Why some folks can't understand this is completely beyond me.

It has to do with identity and "loyalty." They've picked a side, and acknowledging that the other side has a legitimate point is tantamount to treason. That's part of the rationale for opposition to everything from making the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes, to blasting Obama for cutting NASA's budget to let private industry do more direct work in space, and to deny the very existence of climate change. They must absolutely oppose everything their enemies support, even if they themselves supported those ideas not five years ago.

This opposition politics has turned Washington into a cesspool where nothing ever gets done. Republicans have changed the job of Congress from enacting laws that enhance the common good to a propaganda tool for making Democrats look bad in the next election.

That's why there's no compromise on anything from the Republicans. It's all a political power play. And they can rationalize this attitude because they've brainwashed themselves into thinking that government in and of itself is evil and inefficient.

If big government is bad, small government is better and no government is best. Nothing can ever be done in moderation or good sense. There are only ever two polar opposites, and they can't acknowledge the existence of a reasonable middle ground. Ideological purity is mandatory.

Historical antecedents for this absolutist attitude abound, and they never end well.

juris imprudent said...

It has to do with identity and "loyalty."

OK, that explains how you guys approach it.

Y'all might consider that TR's campaign that Obama is echoing, was a resounding defeat and was the end of his political career - not the apex.

That's why there's no compromise on anything from the Republicans.

Whereas the Dems had to compromise internally (as well as buy some votes) to pass the APPA. Have you finally figured out what is in the bill that they had to pass to figure out what was in it?

...and no government is best.

That is hardly a Republican position and it is a minority position within the minority political group known as libertarians. But you just keep trumpeting it as what stands in opposition to you - who knows, perhaps some day it will be. In the meantime it just makes you look stupid and hysterical.

juris imprudent said...

With a few more pennies on the dollar, we could invest in rebuilding schools and infrastructure.

None of which would broadly expand the buying power of the average middle class family. And didn't we already dump a metric ass-load of "stimulus" money in these two places? What the hell is the point of more?

But the dog whistle of dumping more money into schools sure caught your ears, didn't it?

Mark Ward said...

Maybe Hanauer is more of a con man.

Didn't take long for the ad hominem. I'm still hoping that some day you are going to demonstrate that you are capable of serious analysis.

They've picked a side, and acknowledging that the other side has a legitimate point is tantamount to treason.

No shit, Nikto. It's enormously frustrating because it's one of the largest impediments to solving our problems right now.

from enacting laws that enhance the common good to a propaganda tool for making Democrats look bad in the next election.

Right, because the want to "win" and not actually solve problems. Strip away all this baloney and you see a party that is lacking in just about every area if not outright empty.

the end of his political career - not the apex.

Yet, most of what we was espousing ended up coming to pass. Some of that has been eroded recently but thankfully the foundation is still there.

But the dog whistle of dumping more money into schools sure caught your ears, didn't it?

Well, at least you made an attempt here at some serious analysis. I actually think that more money into education is not the answer. The currency of people needs to be improved and expanded. That's why I think tenure needs to go away.

juris imprudent said...

Didn't take long for the ad hominem.

I'm not that impressed with the guy. Lots of people have made big money in the tech arena - that doesn't necessarily mean they are good at anything but making money. This guy says a few soothing words to you and you swoon.

I'm still hoping that some day you are going to demonstrate that you are capable of serious analysis.

You consider what Hanauer wrote as serious analysis? How about what he named his effort? I can only imagine how you would piss your pants if "The True Patriot" was the name of some "right-wing" group instead of a clique of well-to-do proggies.

Analyze this - who did Hanauer fuck over to make his money? Show how any dollar he made was one that would've gone into some middle class wage earner's pocket instead. He certainly doesn't point to ANY way that the middle class will be better off by him and his cohort being taxed more - perhaps you can?

I actually think that more money into education is not the answer.

OK, so then what does that additional tax revenue from the wealthy get used for? The whole point of any taxation is to pay for what the govt is doing, right?

Juris Imprudent said...

Ok M you've put up a new post, and responded to my comment there. How about an answer to my last two questions. Show me that you have some ability to persuade and not just preach.

Surely your silence does not imply that you are unable to answer those questions.

Juris Imprudent said...

OK, so then what does that additional tax revenue from the wealthy get used for? The whole point of any taxation is to pay for what the govt is doing, right?

Anyone? Anyone? Buehler?

The only conclusion I can draw from the silence is that the additional tax revenue isn't important - but sticking it to the rich is. You proggies are just so deeeeeeeeep.

Mark Ward said...

OK, so then what does that additional tax revenue from the wealthy get used for? The whole point of any taxation is to pay for what the govt is doing, right?

Sure. I think we need to prioritize what needs fixing and, of those things that need fixing, what will contribute most (directly or indirectly) to economic growth. In other words, what is the 2011 equivalent of the national highway system? I guess I'm not sure. I have some ideas but am wondering what yours are if you have any. Hanauer's list is a general one and a good bird's eye view but would the specifics of that be?

Juris Imprudent said...

I guess I'm not sure.

Thank you. You would do well to say that more often, as it is the truest response any of us can give to many questions.

The highway system was not conceived as an economic booster (that was an unexpected benefit). It is often criticized (by progressives) for changing patterns of growth (i.e. sprawl) and increasing reliance on automobiles. Terrible thing from a carbon-footprint perspective.

I don't believe the govt can "invest" in anything that guarantees economic growth. Solyndra is a great example, and there is a long (bi-partisan) history of failure (from good idea - bad timing, to simple corruption). Neither the Fed, nor Congress, are capable of "managing" the economy. They can create favorable or unfavorable conditions, but the tighter they try to grip - the more it slips away.

So, now you might begin to understand why I and others oppose increasing taxes - because you don't even have a good idea how to spend that money (and you immediately eschewed closing the deficit). I won't just take it on faith.

And it damn sure won't do anything to reduce income inequality.

Mark Ward said...

I don't believe the govt can "invest" in anything that guarantees economic growth.

So, how do you explain the internet? The US federal government (not Al Gore:)) was instrumental in developing the internet. The entire world has grown economically as a result of this and it came from our tax dollars at a time when rates for the top tier were very high.

Juris Imprudent said...

So, how do you explain the internet?

That was not an "investment". It was not intended to do anything economically speaking - same as the Interstate Highway system. It was a technical project, executed under DARPA (technically its forerunner), that started and first expanded in the academic community. It then grew, but not as anyone expected it would. The most significant contribution to that growth - hypertext - was not even a U.S. invention. Search engines were entirely privately developed, etc. The overall federal govt was among the last to adopt the Internet as a tool of commerce (e.g. filing taxes) or communication (e.g. posting laws passed by Congress for public comment before the President signs). Anyone who says otherwise is a fool or a liar (or both in the case of Al Gore).

Here is another point. Both the Interstates and the Internet were funded out of more-or-less balanced spending. They were not Keynesian stimulus projects and they were not intended to supply infrastructure that people knew a priori would have economic benefits. This whole justification is a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. That you should fall for such is hardly surprising.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it magic. And there is no fucking magic about higher tax rates; the reason you have such wood for them is because you want to fuck over (or at least believe you are fucking over) people that have what you don't. Thou shall not covet...

And I notice that you shut your trap about income inequality and the lack of impact on that.

GuardDuck said...

Read the words Mark.

Specifically "guarantees economic growth".

Was the internet invented by the government for the purpose of spurring economic activity? Or was is a defense department project that ended up having great impact upon the civilian sector? Kinda like the interstate highway system huh?

But don't try to tell us that gov't spending is automatically good for the economy because some random gov't programs have unanticipated civilian applications.

Mark Ward said...

I don't think it's automatically good for the economy. I simply think that saying that it's NEVER good for the government to spend or invest is ridiculous.

And is there any entity that invests that guarantees economic growth? So why does the government get all the shit for it? Oh yes, the fruits of our labor...funny, people don't complain about the things they enjoy, only the things they don't. Each complaint is different depending upon your ideology, right?

Mark Ward said...

They were not Keynesian stimulus projects and they were not intended to supply infrastructure that people knew a priori would have economic benefits.

Where is your supporting evidence for this claim? Saying it's true doesn't mean that it is. Hold yourself to the same standard that you hold me. Remember, check your sources for bias or use unbiased ones.

Juris Imprudent said...

I simply think that saying that it's NEVER good for the government to spend or invest is ridiculous.

The govt never invests - it merely spends. It may spend wisely or not. I favor wise over profligate.

And is there any entity that invests that guarantees economic growth?

No, there isn't. You want to believe there is, just like you believe in God - it comforts you to do so.

Where is your supporting evidence for this claim?

Well since you love wiki so much (and given that you don't read near as much as I do - whole books would be too daunting)...

Interstates is a good summary. Note that the financing was via a dedicated gasoline tax, not raising income tax rates on the rich.

Internet shows that not only was this not a U.S. exclusive, the govt role (ARPANET) was only one part, not the primary one.

Mark Ward said...

I disagree with your assessment of the FHA of 1956. Recall that this project began in the 1930s under President Roosevelt who wanted to create more jobs during the Depression and WWII (Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1938, Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1944). These were both intended to provide infrastructure and improve the economy.

http://www.classbrain.com/artteenst/publish/article_113.shtml

When we get to President Eisenhower, we can certainly see that one of his main goals for the FHA was to provide for the defense of this nation. He saw the roads in Germany during the war and realized how beneficial it would be to have the same thing in the US. He also saw this firsthand in 1919 when he participated in the great army convoy across the nation to improve our roads.

Yet, if you look at his SOTU in 1956, the issue of highway legislation is mentioned under the heading "To Foster A Strong Economy", not under national defense.

Legislation to provide a modern, interstate highway system is even more urgent this year than last, for 12 months have now passed in which we have fallen further behind in road construction needed for the personal safety, the general prosperity, the national security of the American people. During the year, the number of motor vehicles has increased from 58 to 61 million.

http://www.vlib.us/amdocs/texts/dde1956.htm

So, there was more than just the intent for national defense and safety. It's clear that he saw this as being good for the economy.

Regarding the internet, there is no doubt that it was created and developed under the umbrella of defense. And it certainly is true that other, non governmental entities, were involved in its development. But I don't think you can deny how integral our government was in fostering the internet and that was simply my point.

We see many things that start off as DoD programs and then blossom into private sector innovation. That's kind of the whole point...civilian applications. This leads to economic growth, right? This would be one of the major reasons I lean more towards the mantle of "defense hawk" because I know that government spending in this area isn't simply for blowing people up. The US Army, for example, is one of the leading breast cancer researchers and innovators in the world.

http://cdmrp.army.mil/bcrp/default.shtml

Our central problem here is that you view government as a "parasite" (mentioned in another thread) and I view them as one of a few major contributors to our economy.

Juris Imprudent said...

Certainly highways had federal attention prior to the Interstate system. I didn't contend otherwise, you were the one talking specifically about the Interstate - and a key aspect is that it was funded via "user fee" (i.e. the gas tax), not out of general funds or deficit spending (classic Keynes). Ike's primary interest was based on Army logistics - were there side benefits, of course.

You claim to care about climate change, and from that perspective the Interstate is disastrous. It fueled dependence on autos and sprawl - which aided the dissolution of inner cities and tight-knit communities. The very things you bitch constantly about under the rubric of social fabric. If that doesn't matter anymore because economic growth is more important, then perhaps you should be clear about that.

As for the Internet you are so committed to the Al Gore kool-aid that you are drowning in it. Yes, the govt funded some research - but that was a small part and was not based on any vision of what the Internet has become.

Some govt spending may indeed benefit the economy. I don't disagree. What I disagree with is the notion that all, or nearly all, govt spending has that effect. That is your magic - because you can't explain it beforehand, only when you can cherry-pick examples 20 or more years after the fact. You can't get much more post hoc ergo propter hoc than that.

Mark Ward said...

What I disagree with is the notion that all, or nearly all, govt spending has that effect.

I don't think that all of it does either. Obviously, government spending is going to be cut in ways that it never has before. I think it has to happen. But if people think that's going to solve some the problems, they're in for a rude awakening. Likely, it will create more.