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Thursday, December 01, 2011

The Occupy! Trifecta

Three stories today about the OWS movement that I found interesting...

First, apparently someone in the OWS movement is reading this blog. Both Nikto and I agree that the time to stand around a park is over. It seems they are transitioning away from this and into a legitimate social movement. Good deal!

Sadly, though, this article illustrates my chief criticism of the movement.

Despite the strategizing under way in the Occupy Wall Street office space, no one in the movement can say where it will be in six months.

As for a clear set of goals, Goldberg said, “It would be wonderful if the media stopped looking for demands because I think you will be unsatisfied."

He added, "Many of us in the movement don’t want a list of demands because that is empowering someone else to create a change for us.”

Goldberg said he and the others are creating change from the bottom up in their leaderless movement.

“It’s the core of who we are, which is a decentralized, people-driven process," Carey added.

Funny, that sounds almost (gasp!) libertarian, right?

To me, though, they still lack a focus and thankfully, I'm not the only one.

Asking Occupy protesters what, exactly, they would do to reform government and the financial system is a loaded question and a source of internal conflict. Collinge, 41, of Tacoma, Wash., said he has unsuccessfully lobbied Occupy's general assembly meetings in New York to develop a strong platform.

"They should come up with a short-term list of no-brainer agenda items," said Collinge, wearing a huge sign in the rain at New York's Zuccotti Park calling for student loan reforms.

Collinge has his list ready. Return bankruptcy protection to student loans. Bring back banking reform regulations that were removed from the Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act. End corporate personhood.

Absofuckinglutely. The Occupy movement has entered the zeitgeist of the world now and is not going away. For the first time, the political left is driving the conversation and the right is being forced to respond (more on that in a moment). They've successfully been able to create a populist movement around concepts such as the "99 percent" and the "1 percent." People from all areas of life are responding to this positively because...well...they are the 99 percent!

But the ambiguity sans action won't be enough to bring about any real change. This is where I agree with Collinge and it's not surprising really considering he is in my age cohort. There needs to be a focus around the three issues he lists above and each needs to be followed up with action. I'm not sure how this is going to happen considering the OWS folks trust the government about as much as the Tea Party does.

For a group that has "lost the narrative," they sure are making the right nervous. Why all the fuss if that is indeed the case? Here are a few of my favorites from Luntz.

1. Don't say 'capitalism.' "I'm trying to get that word removed and we're replacing it with either 'economic freedom' or 'free market,' " Luntz said. "The public . . . still prefers capitalism to socialism, but they think capitalism is immoral.And if we're seen as defenders of quote, Wall Street, end quote, we've got a problem."

Yeah, you do. Because the American public knows who caused our economic problems. Of course, capitalism isn't immoral...what has been done to it, however, IS.

6. Don't ever say you're willing to 'compromise.' "If you talk about 'compromise,' they'll say you're selling out. Your side doesn't want you to 'compromise.' What you use in that to replace it with is 'cooperation.' It means the same thing. But cooperation means you stick to your principles but still get the job done. Compromise says that you're selling out those principles."

Like I needed a pollster to tell me that!

7. The three most important words you can say to an Occupier: 'I get it.'"First off, here are three words for you all: 'I get it.' . . . 'I get that you're angry. I get that you've seen inequality. I get that you want to fix the system." Then, he instructed, offer Republican solutions to the problem.

Let's see if any of them can actually do this because it involves being empathetic. I doubt it.

The simple fact that they are getting this involved in how they talk about this movement tells me that: a) the talk of the narrative being lost is ridiculously wrong and b) they're nervous.

Good.

15 comments:

last in line said...

Nervous? Fuss?

Oh please. As if politicians carefully choosing their words about an issue is something new and a big deal. It's not a big deal - they all do it with regards to every single issue they talk about.

juris imprudent said...

I empathize with OWS and with the TP. Our political environment induces more frustration than any other thing. However, both the TP and OWS get to stupid real fast with their 'solutions'.

Mark Ward said...

Good points, juris. At least with the Tea Party their solutions are simply stupid. With the OWS movement, there's such a lack of focus and fierce will to nail down some objectives that that in itself is stupid.

And I still say that it won't be long before the OWS movement (like the Tea Party) becomes co-opted by a corporation or corporations.

Nikto said...

My major complaint with OWS is that they wind up pitting themselves against municipal governments by staging sit-ins at sites that have nothing to do with Wall Street, and wind up causing hassles for people who would otherwise sympathize with them.

I'd rather prefer to see them sitting in the lobbies of CitiBank, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Wells Fargo and the other companies that got us into the mess we're in, but who got bailed out by us and are now sitting on mountains of cash and whose CEOs are drowning in bonuses. But I don't want OWS to get thrown into jail for trespassing, so it's hard to see how to translate the Zucotti Park venue into other cities around the country.

I can also see why OWS doesn't want to fall into the same trap that the Tea Party did, by getting their movement usurped by people like the Koch brothers, Karl Rove, Virginia Thomas, Michele Bachmann, and so on. If someone like George Soros takes the helm of OWS, it will lose a lot of street cred.

The people in OWS don't know enough to tell the rest of us WHAT the solution to our problems are, just as the Tea Party people aren't. But they are good at complaining about the fact that things are bad and no one is doing anything about it.

Guys like Paul Krugman have plenty of ideas: investment in our crumbling infrastructure, elimination of deductibility of excessive executive salaries from corporate income tax, and a small transaction fee on stock sales would be a great start. The latter would make computer trading much less effective a strategy, and eliminate the dangerous market volatility that machine trading has caused.

When conditions in the country improve enough so that the protesters don't have the time to protest because they've got jobs, they will have succeeded.

Mark Ward said...

My major complaint with OWS is that they wind up pitting themselves against municipal governments by staging sit-ins at sites that have nothing to do with Wall Street, and wind up causing hassles for people who would otherwise sympathize with them.

That would be my second major beef with the OWS folks. Well said, Nikto!

If someone like George Soros takes the helm of OWS, it will lose a lot of street cred.

It's going to happen. Sorry, but it's inevitable.

so that the protesters don't have the time to protest because they've got jobs

Well, there you are letting your old man "you kids get off of my lawn" mentality seep in. As we saw in the CNN link a while back, many are employed.

last in line said...

"Return bankruptcy protection to student loans."

There will be a lot of free educations handed out once that becomes law. When people find out they can eliminate $100k of their student loan dept by simply calling an attorney, that's what many will do.

Larry said...

Nervous, my ass. While a lot of their beefs are valid, they're about as clueless about how to actually accomplish anything useful and effective as your average PETA activist. Making a dirty nuisance of yourself doesn't change anything, let alone other people's minds.

sw said...

http://bigjournalism.com/jjmnolte/2011/12/01/dead-movement-walking-top-six-signs-the-left-and-the-msm-have-hung-occupy-out-to-dry/

last in line said...

Cool link sw. I was looking for a site that has a summary of all the garbage OWS has done, now I have it.

http://bigjournalism.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/

My money quote from your link, which I mentioned on here in the last week or two...

"Democratic mayors of big, urban liberal cities don’t evict popular movements, do they?"

Mark Ward said...

Nervous, my ass.

If they weren't nervous, why is Frank Luntz being brought in to massage the message?

sw and last, do both of you think that Andrew Brietbart represents critical thinking regarding the OWS movement? If so, here's my link then..

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/12/04/myths-misinformation-and-falsehoods-about-the-occupy-movement/

This line..

and Alinksy-style community organizers like Barack Obama

was interesting considering that the Tea Party has Alinsky as required reading for strategy.

last in line said...

I never said Brietbart was an example of critical thinking.

I don't care what required reading the tea party has because I'm not a member of the tea party.

Your link doesn't offer up a rebuttal of the events the brietbart link summarized.

More from that website you linked to...

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/23/8-reasons-why-conservatives-would-be-nascar-fans/

So nascar fans are obsessed with God and racist. If that is an example of critical thinking then I'm not too impressed (and I don't even like nascar).

last in line said...

Oh yeah, democrat mayors are steamrolling your buddies the hell out of their sites. They wouldn't do that to popular movements.

Boo-ya.

last in line said...

Oh yeah, democrat mayors are steamrolling your buddies the hell out of their sites. They wouldn't do that to popular movements.

Boo-ya.

Mark Ward said...

But that's my whole point, last. Addictinginfo is the liberal equivalent of Brietbart's sites so they don't tell the whole story either. There's also a difference in the manner in which each story is written. I guess what I'm wondering is whether or not you take the Brietbart piece as the sum total of all facts.

last in line said...

I don't think that rap sheet is the end all, be all of the OWS movement but I do sense a pattern of things like this happening at events of a movement that you support. The number is up to 403 today btw.