Sure. Do it showing as a percentage of gun owners and compare to the percentage of 'accidental' gun deaths by gov't employed 'only one's' - you know, the 'only one's' you think are safe enough to be around your kids....
My point is this. Right now, the gun community is sowing its own seeds for disaster for gun rights. You guys value your warped ideology about guns far more than addressing the issue of how incredibly irresponsible Americans are with guns. You would rather allow an annual culling of our population than give...just a little...to lessen the deaths every year that result from gun violence. You would rather allow irresponsible people access to guns then change.
Eventually, this is going to bite you on the ass. Big time.
Ain't no such thing on the side that wants the giving done....
Oh, and you forgot the other part of the numbers. Those gov't employed personages that you do feel are ok to be near your kids - what's their rate of accidental deaths and injuries and hell, what's their rate of conviction compared to those concealed permit holders that you and N disdain so much.
My "warped ideology" - that the average American is responsible enough to own a gun. And your straightforward pragmatism is that those folks can't own guns but can vote, drive, procreate without a second thought.
Best part is you don't even realize what an idiot-hypocrite you are.
that the average American is responsible enough to own a gun. And your straightforward pragmatism is that those folks can't own guns but can vote, drive, procreate without a second thought.
You give the average American far too much credit and that's what will ultimately be the downfall of the gun cult. I think anyone who wants to own a gun or even several guns should be able to do so, provided they can pass a background check, pass regular mental health checks and be trained appropriately. We require this of people that drive.
And are you seriously equating the right to vote, a nonviolent and democratic act, with owning a gun?
Congratulations, you actually recognized the point and have made a debatable contention. Given that you can vote, drive and procreate - you are a living example of just how wrong I might be.
...and that's what will ultimately be the downfall of the gun cult.
I think you meant the downfall of the republic.
We require this of people that drive.
Oh lordy but don't make me show ID to vote - no, no, no, no, NOOOOOOOO!!!! [Impassively watching M stamp his feet and hold his breath.]
And are you seriously equating the right to vote, a nonviolent and democratic act, with owning a gun?
Ain't no right to vote in the Bill of Rights, is there? Not to mention that owning a gun is no act of violence, or that using a gun in an act of violence is against the law (sort of like voting fraud is illegal).
I find it interesting, GD, that you want more regulation on voting than you do on obtaining a gun. BTW, will your desire for stricter voting laws extend to absentee balloting (the far more prevalent area of voter fraud)?
I've warned you guys time and again about what's going to happen if you aren't proactive about gun violence in this country. When it affects you personally, you will change. And I think that's pretty sad for the people who are losing loved ones everyday simply because of the gun industry, paranoia, and a terribly fucked up ideology.
I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing your assertion that the right to bear arms should have little or no limitations on it. 200+ years of tort says otherwise. The 2nd amendment is not unlimited.
Other than you doing so usually - that's not the point.
I'm disputing your assertion that the right to bear arms should have little or no limitations on it. 200+ years of tort says otherwise. The 2nd amendment is not unlimited.
Straw man alert.
Look, your claim is that I want more regulations on voting than on buying a gun.
My replies are based upon that claim. Going into a soliloquy about the 2nd Amendment WITHOUT also comparing it to voting is missing your own point.
My point, which by the way actually addressed your point, is that the 2nd Amendment is a right Constitutionally retained by a broader segment of society than voting - and therefore it would be reasonable to expect certain efforts are taken to ensure only those who are allowed vote.
Your claim that I wish more regulation upon voting than upon obtaining a gun is, as I said, a straw man. A made up argument from your own imagination.
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The girlfriend said the victim had been drinking most of the day, and sheriff’s officials said alcohol appears to have been a factor in the shooting.
This must be why the NRA is working tirelessly to make it legal to bring firearms into bars.
Because only a government appointed gun carrier is trained well enough, right?
Ya want him around your kids - no problem.
Anecdata. Thought you said that stuff wasn't valid anymore....right?
Would you like me to post how many accidental gun deaths like this occur every year?
Sure. Do it showing as a percentage of gun owners and compare to the percentage of 'accidental' gun deaths by gov't employed 'only one's' - you know, the 'only one's' you think are safe enough to be around your kids....
There are 606 accidental gun deaths per year. There are 14,000 to 16,000 non fatal injuries stemming from gun accidents.
Recall this...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children-and-guns-the-hidden-toll.html?_r=0
The first number is likely not accurate because of how these deaths are classified by police. So, no, not anecdata, a significant number.
I didn't bother your other number. I'm sure you can provide an unbiased link to back it up, right?:)
Would you like me to post how many accidental gun deaths like this occur every year?
Sure. There will be a few hundred. Which doesn't even put accidental gun deaths any where near the top 10 causes of accidental death.
So what is your fucking point?
My point is this. Right now, the gun community is sowing its own seeds for disaster for gun rights. You guys value your warped ideology about guns far more than addressing the issue of how incredibly irresponsible Americans are with guns. You would rather allow an annual culling of our population than give...just a little...to lessen the deaths every year that result from gun violence. You would rather allow irresponsible people access to guns then change.
Eventually, this is going to bite you on the ass. Big time.
Give "just a little"?
Ain't no such thing on the side that wants the giving done....
Oh, and you forgot the other part of the numbers. Those gov't employed personages that you do feel are ok to be near your kids - what's their rate of accidental deaths and injuries and hell, what's their rate of conviction compared to those concealed permit holders that you and N disdain so much.
My "warped ideology" - that the average American is responsible enough to own a gun. And your straightforward pragmatism is that those folks can't own guns but can vote, drive, procreate without a second thought.
Best part is you don't even realize what an idiot-hypocrite you are.
that the average American is responsible enough to own a gun. And your straightforward pragmatism is that those folks can't own guns but can vote, drive, procreate without a second thought.
You give the average American far too much credit and that's what will ultimately be the downfall of the gun cult. I think anyone who wants to own a gun or even several guns should be able to do so, provided they can pass a background check, pass regular mental health checks and be trained appropriately. We require this of people that drive.
And are you seriously equating the right to vote, a nonviolent and democratic act, with owning a gun?
And are you seriously equating the right to vote, a nonviolent and democratic act, with owning a gun?
Which one is the broader right as defined in the Constitution?
Bearing arms are "the people".
Voting is "citizens".
You give the average American far too much credit
Congratulations, you actually recognized the point and have made a debatable contention. Given that you can vote, drive and procreate - you are a living example of just how wrong I might be.
...and that's what will ultimately be the downfall of the gun cult.
I think you meant the downfall of the republic.
We require this of people that drive.
Oh lordy but don't make me show ID to vote - no, no, no, no, NOOOOOOOO!!!! [Impassively watching M stamp his feet and hold his breath.]
And are you seriously equating the right to vote, a nonviolent and democratic act, with owning a gun?
Ain't no right to vote in the Bill of Rights, is there? Not to mention that owning a gun is no act of violence, or that using a gun in an act of violence is against the law (sort of like voting fraud is illegal).
I find it interesting, GD, that you want more regulation on voting than you do on obtaining a gun. BTW, will your desire for stricter voting laws extend to absentee balloting (the far more prevalent area of voter fraud)?
I've warned you guys time and again about what's going to happen if you aren't proactive about gun violence in this country. When it affects you personally, you will change. And I think that's pretty sad for the people who are losing loved ones everyday simply because of the gun industry, paranoia, and a terribly fucked up ideology.
that you want more regulation on voting than you do on obtaining a gun.
I don't have a problem showing my ID to do either, so just what the fuck do you think you are talking about?
I find it interesting, GD, that you want more regulation on voting than you do on obtaining a gun
Dude, the Constitution sets the requirements.
The people have a right to arms.
People need to be citizens to vote.
The people have a right to arms.
I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing your assertion that the right to bear arms should have little or no limitations on it. 200+ years of tort says otherwise. The 2nd amendment is not unlimited.
And I'm still waiting on your thoughts on absentee ballot voter fraud...
I'm not disputing that.
Of course you are, and in the next breath (which you can scarcely catch) complaining about showing ID to vote.
I'm not disputing that.
Other than you doing so usually - that's not the point.
I'm disputing your assertion that the right to bear arms should have little or no limitations on it. 200+ years of tort says otherwise. The 2nd amendment is not unlimited.
Straw man alert.
Look, your claim is that I want more regulations on voting than on buying a gun.
My replies are based upon that claim. Going into a soliloquy about the 2nd Amendment WITHOUT also comparing it to voting is missing your own point.
My point, which by the way actually addressed your point, is that the 2nd Amendment is a right Constitutionally retained by a broader segment of society than voting - and therefore it would be reasonable to expect certain efforts are taken to ensure only those who are allowed vote.
Your claim that I wish more regulation upon voting than upon obtaining a gun is, as I said, a straw man. A made up argument from your own imagination.
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