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Tuesday, March 03, 2009

A Clip

As promised, here is a clip from Right America: Feeling Wronged.

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

Jesus M, do you think that someone can't turn up 94 seconds of left-wing stupidity just as easily? Shall I link to some 'truthers'? How about some anti-globalists?

Anonymous said...

Thank God these individuals are a minority, because the secon hat ALLLL the phD, BA or Masters-educated Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Chilean, Argentinian etc. immigrants LEAVE America, as they are doing now, because they're sick and tired of bullshit existences and have better economies and families back home to go to who gosh, have an IQ (cultural) of 53,000 compared to Americans who have never been anywhere but Wal Mart, the minute they travel back home by the tens of thousands and leave the US to a minority of sadly insecure people -- that will be the beginning of the end of the late great USA. A nation's wealth is IN ITS PEOPLE -- and God help America -- if this becomes the future. jt.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20090303/bs_bw/feb2009tc20090228990934

Anonymous said...

Joanne, I've been to Europe 4 times and there are just as many idiotic, uneducated drunks over there as there are here. I'd rather hang out with the folks in that video than the drunken UK losers out on a stag party throughout Europe pissing all over the streets of Brussels, falling in canals in Amsterdam, the chav scum all over London, etc. Seen it all.

Better economies back home? Pakistan, China, Argentina and India have better economies then the US? Numbers please. The EU economies are in much worse shape than ours is. I read all about the rejected bailout of Eastern Europe. In America, outside Wall Street, the banks have lent 96 cents for each $1 of deposits. Continental European banks have lent roughly €1.40 for each €1 of deposits. They have to borrow the rest from money-market investors, who are not especially confident in those economies over there right now. The British, Irish and Spanish have also had housing busts of their own.

Some people are simply not as interested in travel as, say, you and I are. That does not make them unintelligent or incapable of making intelligent decisions. Also, many people, like my parents and grandparents, probably couldn’t afford to travel over to another country on a regular basis and lots of families can't afford college (it's funny how you lefties seem to drop the "stick up for and understanding the little guy" when it is convenient for you to do so).

I don't judge people by their lack of global travel, I appreciate that they have probably had different life experiences than I did (isn't that what diversity is really about?). My parents have never been out of this country vote Democrat. I travel to Europe and South America all the time and I vote Republican.

Where do you get off telling people how they should spend their limited resources - money or time? When you go to Europe do you tell Europeans what leisure activities they should participate in and how they should spend their spare money, or do you save that for us Ugly Americans?

SW posted a video on here a while back which had audio of the Howard Stern show going into Harlem and hearing Obama voters say that they liked the fact that Obama was pro-life, that they were glad he was against stem cell research and that they were happy he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate.

Anonymous said...

Lil, air your opinion as do the film's interviewees, but please don't propject ops on me that i don't have.

Defending ignorance about other cultures, faiths and religions, which is based on not knowing better or putting down that which you fear -- for example, they've obviously (i'm guessing) never met or talked to a muslim but repeat the 'muslim faith' or 'swear on the Qur'an' as if it's the vilest thing that a man could do -- defending a level of complete ignorance -- and i've met so many self-sustaining poor or self-made people in the US and around the world who are some of the most cultured, highly self-educated individuals i will ever have the honour to meet - so, feeding your mind or investigating facts and reality, is never a class or financial issue, it's a matter of WANTING to know -- ABRAHAM LINCOLN was from an ultra-small town, one of the smallest and entirely self-educated and self-read throughout his life -- defending someone's lack of knowledge by saying that the UK has alcoholic losers, so..... what??? Spend your time with whoever you want to Lil. The film's interviewees are not drunks and who said they were losers, they're just completely and utterly clueless about other human beings in their own country and on the planet or their beliefs. Thinking or repeating something doesn't make it true -- and thinking it YOUR WHOLE LIFE will create hate and further ignorance which has its own consequences.

Where do you get off telling people how they should spend their limited resources - money or time?

Excuse me, again, what? Where...? If someone doesn't want to read, or meet another person who's different than them, THEIR LIFE and narrow vision. The best antidote to fear is to meet and talk to people of other cultures backgrounds and faiths. I bet they don't have to travel further than five miles, ANYWHERE in the US. But if they're going to air their completely factually wrong opinion in a film, then i can air my opinion about their opinions. jt.

Anonymous said...

Lil, air your opinion as do the film's interviewees, but please don't propject ops on me that i don't have.

Defending ignorance about other cultures, faiths and religions, which is based on not knowing better or putting down that which you fear -- for example, they've obviously (i'm guessing) never met or talked to a muslim but repeat the 'muslim faith' or 'swear on the Qur'an' as if it's the vilest thing that a man could do -- defending a level of complete ignorance -- and i've met so many self-sustaining poor or self-made people in the US and around the world who are some of the most cultured, highly self-educated individuals i will ever have the honour to meet - so, feeding your mind or investigating facts and reality, is never a class or financial issue, it's a matter of WANTING to know -- ABRAHAM LINCOLN was from an ultra-small town, one of the smallest and entirely self-educated and self-read throughout his life -- defending someone's lack of knowledge by saying that the UK has alcoholic losers, so..... what??? Spend your time with whoever you want to Lil. The film's interviewees are not drunks and who said they were losers, they're just completely and utterly clueless about other human beings in their own country and on the planet or their beliefs. Thinking or repeating something doesn't make it true -- and thinking it YOUR WHOLE LIFE will create hate and further ignorance which has its own consequences.

Where do you get off telling people how they should spend their limited resources - money or time?

Excuse me, again, what? Where...? If someone doesn't want to read, or meet another person who's different than them, THEIR LIFE and narrow vision. The best antidote to fear is to meet and talk to people of other cultures backgrounds and faiths. I bet they don't have to travel further than five miles, ANYWHERE in the US. But if they're going to air their completely factually wrong opinion in a film, then i can air my opinion about their opinions. jt.

Anonymous said...

I'm not defending their lack of knowledge. I'm countering your insults toward the United States (read - the bullshit existences you spoke of, IQ (cultural) of 53,000 compared to Americans who have never been anywhere but Wal Mart, leave the US to a minority of sadly insecure people). The USA is full of very resiliant people and your neighboring European countries will be gone sooner than we will as lots of folks over there apparantly think immigrants are a substitute for babies.

European leaders know that their house of cards is going to fall soon, they just don’t know when. The birthrates are not high enough to keep up with the great social benefits they have promised their people. The politicians can’t do anything about it because the voting populations over there are becoming older every year and the second someone talks about taking away any fraction of those social benefits (that the governments can’t afford to keep paying out) that politician is voted out of office. Italy’s retirement system is as follows – they take the average salary of the last 5 years you worked and the government pays you 75% of that every year till the day you die.

You opined that if some PhD's left the country, all that would be left would be sad, insecure people. That's more than an opinion on their opinions. That sounds like an extremely inflated sense of self-importance. This country will survive a few PhD's going back to Chile, trust me.

Thanks for posting those outstanding economic growth numbers from the economy of Pakistan.

If you want to insult those folks in the video, fine by me because they are obviously misinformed. Saying that the beginning of the end of the USA will come when a few PhD's leave the country is about as moronic as what you saw in that video. I'm going to email Pakistan and tell them they are coming back.

Anonymous said...

jt, in a lot of rural communities the walmart itself is 45 minutes away.

I'm going to start the countdown to see how quickly someone accuses you of racism last in line because your statement about immigration in Europe is 100% true. My parents came to the US from Italy.

Anonymous said...

hey jt, any guesses as to why the tennis match between sweden and israel was closed to the public by local officials recently in malmo, sweden? must be all those open-minded, cultured europeans.

Anonymous said...

You opined that if some PhD's left the country, all that would be left would be sad, insecure people.

That's incorrect. I did not opine that, you misunderstood me. People who are afraid to understand, learn or reach out to other people, relying instead on easy-peasy incorrect stereotype are insecure -- because knowledge is out there today, accessible to every1 who wants to know -- and that is SAD. SADLY INSECURE, refers to an insecurity which is sad, based on an ignorance, which is avoidable (superficial and often deliberate,) through preferring not to know or relying on what someone ELSE tells you. When the facts and other are accessible, if that's of interest. It should be of interest. Otherwise, talking about it and them, is talk based on lack of facts and hear-say. jt.

Anonymous said...

hey jt, any guesses as to why the tennis match between sweden and israel was closed to the public by local officials recently in malmo, sweden? must be all those open-minded, cultured europeans.

hey sw, no must be the fact that israel killed over a thousand civilians in gaza this last december and the swedes have a problem with that. it's called public opinion. jt.

Anonymous said...

& last, if you don't think many immigrants to the US endure degrees of 'bullshit' in alienation, discrimination, stereotyping and survival, so they can learn and work in the world's largest economy and diverse society built on immigration, save enough to send home or to return home with degrees and experience, if they don't become americans -- which i'm sure all would love to become (the passport is as attractive as the lifestyle, for those who make enough to afford it) then that's as insensitive as you think i'm being by mentioning it. jt.

Anonymous said...

Did you shed a tear for your beloved Yasser Arafat, Joanne? How about his "son", Ali Hassan Salameh?

Mark Ward said...

Wow. This discussion has taken an interesting turn. I thought I would jump in.

Fact of the matter is that joanne is right, save for one thing. Our country, for whatever strange reason, has encouraged people to be stupid. It is a fact that people are leaving in droves to go elsewhere. It is a fact that China and India are doing better economically then we are. A simple google search will show you all you need to know.

So the question becomes how do we return to an era when the US was looked upon as a leader in the world when it comes to open mindedness? We took our first step by electing a man who cares a great deal about education. Sadly, some people don't want to be.

The only bit where jt loses me is looking at Palestinians as victims of Israeli aggression. I will never understand what happened to the left when it comes to the Jews. The bottom line is that Iran wants to kill Jewish people. They are using Hamas in Gaza to further this goal. The leaders of Hamas are the ones who making victims of their people, not Israel.

If Israel laid down there arms, there would be another holocaust. If the Palestinians laid down their arms there would be peace. As a holocaust survivor once said, if someone says they want to kill you, believe them.

Anonymous said...

israel is not beyond the law Mark but it always behaves as though it is. i think that will change. which is the only hope for peace. israelis know it and the winds of change are blowing.

anonymous, you're a pratt and know nothing. see my post numero uno above. j.

Anonymous said...

so they were protecting the israeli tennis players from the swedes and not the "Youths"? and please compare and contrast the economies of India and the US. markadelphia and jt, are your accusations of stupidity, insecurity, ignorance, cluelessness, etc only reserved for white, rural people in the US?

Anonymous said...

Sw, i would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever EVER reserve criticism 'for white, rural people in the US' -- fact check. that's my background and i don't have a racially discriminatory bone in my body.

As mentioned above, i do not know why sweden did that, i gave you what i thought was the reason. yes, with a touch of sarcasm.

we are all imperfect in a million billion ways. i think when it comes to lack of knowledge, we can all improve. My original point was, people who don't actually know WHAT they're talking about (for example, islam, china, christianity, judaism, arab world, israel, us, muslims, limbaugh etc etc.) are naturally, FREE to give their opinion at any and all times but should realise that if that opinion is based on hear-say or not factual, that they will receive feedback. it strikes me that when we hate something we don't know it's because we fear it, so isn't it better to first explore the thing we don't understand or dislike(as neutrally or factually as possible, preferably in a first hand way, if possible, which need not involve travel but may involve meeting or mixing with others) so we can be more sure of ourselves and opinions? as mark said, open our minds, which is what makes and made america great, freedom of worship and expression, innovation and exploration, even if we come out at the end with the same original conclusions. but this time based on experience or knowledge. jt.

Anonymous said...

i didnt say you were racially discrminatory, i said you and markadelphia were too politically correct to say the same thing about anyone who isn't white and male. white males are the only group left to make fun of anymore and the filmmakers of the clip have no guts.

Anonymous said...

speaking as a filmmaker (not fulltime, but experienced, news and documentaries) you're right about one thing sw, a filmmaker can CHOOSE what to focus the camera and their audience on.

I've filmed so many soundbytes from people on the streets, in different locations, including many in the US, from religious leaders, from politicians, business leaders, whoever, people are people everywhere. but the point is the person with the camera who will also be in the editing room (i mean the director or producer) CHOOSES what to show you and what to leave out.

If the purpose of the film is just to show people in a negative light, saying or doing apparently stupid things, that's not fair, i have left out sooooooooo many crazy WTF remarks out, that yes, would have made great laugh-out-loud lines (at the person rather than with them) including a us christian religious leader and many normal people off the street (and in a bar in west virginia where the place nearly broke into a brawl while we were filming) but i always ask myself, why would i include this? if the answer is ONLY to make the person look stupid, i wouldn't use it -- because the audience can feel it and knows it's a cheap shot. It's also a principle thing, because if there's no trust or credibility, how can i do this again? i ask myself. BUT -- if there is a context, if what you include moves the story on, if it proves a point that's backed up with evidence from more than one credible source in the narrative, in other words, if it's NECESSARY and MEANINGFUL, yes, then the filmmaker should and will keep it. I haven't seen Right America: Feeling Wronged (the film) so, i don't know the context for the soundbytes and the clip that Mark put up. Yeah there are uninformed people in the US -- i could take a camera and show you completely uninformed people on the streets of any capital in the world. Is there a point? Thats the question ...as well as (because we live in a small screen age) does it make good viewing, does it captivate the viewer? jt.

Anonymous said...

israel is not beyond the law

And the Palestinians are???

Anonymous said...

the fact that you ask that question juris, tells me that you have made up your mind about the answer. it also tells me you are not familiar with the situation in the prison camp of besieged Gaza (the Israeli Film Director who just won the Oscar 09 for best documentary just made a new short animation film about Gaza, i urge all to see both films) Gaza, which has never NOT been de facto occupied by land air or sea and the West bank, nor familiar with the disproportionate and incomparable use of lethal force against an overwhelmingly civilian population for decades, whose rights are enshrined not only in every international and humanitarian law under the sun (as would be applicable to any race and ethnicity,) but enshrined also in sacred law (in the Torah, the Talmud, the Qur'an and Christian Just War principles) for people to a./ resist occupation and ethnic cleansing and b./ defend themselves by any means possible and proportionate, against aggression. jt.

Anonymous said...

With all due respect jt I have to vehemently disagree with one thing you said.

we are all imperfect in a million billion ways.

Personally, I know of only 4 ways in which I am imperfect. One of those ways being the fact that, despite his obvious flaws, I still like M.

I also only know of two ways in which HMHC is imperfect.

For everybody else you are probably correct....a million billion is just about right.

Anonymous said...

I'm not even gonna ask....boo-ya.

Anonymous said...

who's hmhc ? :) what r ur 3other imperfections mr nearly perfect (u dont have to say but enhanced my curiosity..) jt

Anonymous said...

My 3 other imperfections:

1) Despite ample evidence to the contrary, I still think Tennyson is the greatest poet of all time.

2) I have no rhythm. I mean zero rhythm. Absolutely none. Zilch. Zero.

3) I have no patience for stupid people. I mean zero. None. Zilch.


I won't guess which of those items I have in common with HMHC. (you don't know HMHC??? His Majesty the Honorable Crabmaster???!!! Wow.)

Anonymous said...

I have rhythm. There will be a youtube video made soon showing my dancing skills. I'm sure Mark will make it a feature post on here for all of you to see if I give him $1.

I am kind of stupid.

I've never heard of Tennyson.