Former President Jimmy Carter recently stated that much of the bile towards President Obama is racially motivated. In addition to this comment being filed under "No Shit," this is sure to roil the right even more. First of all, it's Carter so expect all the Carter roasting over an open pit to begin again...always a classic, btw.
And then look for the re-direct on the racism as well. "It's all they have left", "Race Monger", "Eeep-Blurp-Squonk" will all be heard repeatedly over the next few days.
Or you can just check the comments section on the post below for similarly themed denials.
23 comments:
Facts and you just don't get along do they?
Your proof is nothing more than somebody talking out their A$$. People (meaning left and right) are angry because of the incompetence of this administration, their corruption, their idiotic policies, and complete lack of integrity - all proven and documented in spades. Race has very little to do with it other than he is still getting support from minorities since they can't get past his color. You will always be able to find fringe that are racist but that isn't anywhere near the 'base' or even a significant number. You just can't get past the fact that people don't like incompetent, corrupt, and ineffective leaders. You can claim racism all day long but that isn't what is driving the backlash.
How do you "prove" that someone is racist, 6Kings? Wait for the person to be hanging from a tree?
And the fringe of the right is the only part that is racist? Facts and YOU don't get along. Talk about fucking blind.
"And the fringe of the right is the only part that is racist? Facts and YOU don't get along. Talk about fucking blind."
Just for the sake of argument, could you even define what bizarre version of set theory you're using to define "the right?" Just for once it'd be interesting to see if Mark and his ilk can actually define "the right," giving actual properties, definitions, and held views.
I just get this weird feeling - call it "intuition" (*cough* prior experience dealing with Mark *cough*) - that we're going to start seeing the No True Scotsman fallacy run rampant if you actually made the attempt.
How do you "prove" that someone is racist, 6Kings? Wait for the person to be hanging from a tree?
And that is precisely the point, jeff. The Democrat party has deliberately chosen to champion racism and sexism precisely because they are things that can rarely be proven, thus allowing them to define "racism and sexism" however they please.
So far as I can tell, the current definition:
If a white conservative or Republican goes after a non-white Democrat or liberal, it's automatically racism. The accuracy of the charges is not part of the equation at all.
If a male conservative or Republican goes after a female Democrat or liberal, it's automatically sexism. The accuracy of the charges is not part of the equation at all.
If a liberal or Democrat of whatever color goes after a Republican or conservative of whatever color, it's automatically not racism. The accuracy of the charges is not part of the equation at all.
If a liberal or Democrat of whatever gender goes after a Republican or conservative of whatever gender, it's automatically not racism. The accuracy of the charges is not part of the equation at all.
Note that the Democrat party deliberately and proudly threw the entire concept of "equal treatment under the law" completely out the window to accommodate that definition. But that's okay, right?
The bottom line is that the passionate rank and file of the left have been suckered by their leaders for decades, and are still being played by them even now. The leaders get you all so fired up about "fix it NOW!!!" that you forget to give a damn about whether or not it's fixed right, allowing your leaders to continue "fixing" things in ways that continue their corruptocrat games. Both parties do it, and have for a long time. The only real difference between Democrats and Republicans is that G.W. Bush's faux conservatism has made conservatives' bullshit detectors very sensitive.
Somehow, no one has come along to perform a similar "sensitivity calibration" for the liberal wing of the Democrats. They're still falling for the bullshit lines of the party machine.
Here are the facts, folks. If you take a look at the total history of racism in this country, you will see that the Democrats, not the Republicans, have spent more time being more biased. This is a fact. There is no disputing this and I'm sure that GOF, 6Kings, and Adam will all agree.
The Republican Party has done more for rights of African Americans than the Democrats if you compare amount of time, history and action. This is also a fact.
Also factual is that when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he put his pen down and said to the people in the room, "We just lost the South." And they did. Nixon and Wallace saw their chances there in 1968 with Hubert "1948 Convention Speech" Humphrey running against them. They knew they could get the redneck vote and they did. The right has had it pretty much every since by appealing to them in very subtle ways.
So, Adam, in answer to your question, this is the base of the current conservative movement. They are in South Carolina, Kentucky, W. Virginia, Alabama, Miss., Georgia, Oklahoma, Kansas, Tennesse, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Missouri. They used to be Democrats and now they are Republicans. They don't like black people. This is a fact.
"...South Carolina, Kentucky, W. Virginia, Alabama, Miss., Georgia, Oklahoma, Kansas, Tennesse, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Missouri. "
So your conclusion is that people in these states are automatically racist, are racist if they belong to the Republican party, or that racist is just another word for "southern"?
Mark, I have to admit your vitriolic comments aren't very convincing and don't put you in a very good light. I suggest you rewrite your posts until you remove all epithets and lower your blood pressure.
Obviously all conservatives are not motivated by racism. But there's no doubt that a certain segment of people opposed to Obama and his initiatives are doing so because they dislike blacks.
Glenn Beck has called Obama a racist. My father claimed that the "97% of blacks and 30% of whites that voted for Obama" are racist. Conservatives are always saying that you should call a spade a spade and drop all this PC BS. Okay. I'll call them on it.
The people calling Obama racist are suffering from a form of transference: they're imputing their own motives on him.
Joe Wilson may not be a racist. The posters on this blog may not be racists. But what about the millions of people who refuse to acknowledge that Obama is an American citizen? Even though he was born of an American mother in the state of Hawaii, and the state has validated his birth certificate?
What motivates these people to deny reality and perpetuate this lie? I know what motivates guys like Glenn Beck -- it's the money. He'll say anything he's paid to say.
Before the election it came out that John McCain was born in Panama. This raised the possibility that he wasn't an American citizen. It was total bunk -- it's well established that anyone born of American parents is American, no matter where they're born. This is why the whole Obama birth certificate thing is total nonsense.
First we should analyze what we mean by "racism."
There's the kind the Nazis practiced: mass extermination of an entire race of people. Obviously evil. Not what people are accusing conservatives of today.
There's the kind that the Klan practiced: murdering people because of their skin color in order to keep them in their place as slaves and servants. Also evil, and not the point of the racism charge.
There's the kind that I think we're talking about here: the desire to deny persons of other races equal opportunities in society. This type of racism stems from a fear that advances enjoyed by other races will come at the cost to oneself and one's family, be it loss of jobs, loss of political power, having to pay more taxes, losing one's supply of mates, etc.
This is extremely common historically, and it comes and goes. In the 1800s the same nonsense about Irish and Scandinavian immigrants was spouted. Then it was about Poles, Italians, Hungarians, Gypsies, Germans, Japanese, Jews. It's always been about the Jews.
And then there's the everyday run of the mill type of racism that we all practice: the classification of an individual into a group based on some external factor that is different from ourselves. We associate certain set of attributes with that classification and then assume all individuals of that classification share those attributes. We then prejudge that individual based on purely external factors.
This isn't always about race: it's often about sex, or age, or political affiliation, or clothing, or behavior. It isn't even always bad.
For example, I have much more in common with a black volleyball player from Brazil than a white biker in Sturgis.
So, calling what the Republicans are doing racism is missing the point. They are pressing all the buttons on their followers in an attempt to discredit Obama at every step of the way by emphasizing how he is different from them and cannot be trusted: race, education, the way his wife looks, where his kids go to school, his previous associations, etc.
We're yelling about racism, when we should be discussing the merits of the health care plan, financial reform and energy policy. And that's exactly what the Republicans want to do: they want the country to dissolve into chaos so that the rich white men on Wall Street, and at Halliburton, Exxon, United Healthcare, Glaxo Smith Kline and the rest can keep raking in the dough.
So, mark, in your opinion is there ANY way that one can disagree with the president WITHOUT being accused of being a racist? Is there a DNC approved, PC way of expressing dissent? Because obviously, bombarding you clowns with facts isn't it.
BTW thanks for the sweeping geographical generalizations. I'll be sure to tell my liberal sister in TN that she is, in fact, a racist, simply based on her zip code. She must be. Marky's stated it as a fact.
On the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland, the Obama administration has scrapped plans for a defensive missile shield in Eastern Europe. We can only hope that our adversaries will consider this an olive branch toward peace rather than an opportunity for gains against a weak and indecisive United States and that our allies will forgive and forget that we've turned our backs on them.
Yep, conservatives hate blacks. That's why Michael Steele was elected as the head of the RNC. Oh, wait… he's black.
Or maybe our "hatred" of blacks explains why the Bush administration had more high ranking officials who were black than any previous administration. That includes Clinton's administration (the so-called "First Black President") which had a grand total of zero.
Marky, you're an idiot.
Here's an excellent article about the racism Lloyd Marcus experienced at the TEA Party rallies:
I traveled on the Tea Party Express tour bus as a singer/songwriter, entertainer and spokesperson; 16 states, 34 rallies in two weeks. I experienced vicious racial verbal attacks, not from the tea party protesters. The racial hate expressed against me all came from the left, people who support President Obama's radial socialist agenda.
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As to the claim that the tea party protesters are racist, they are not. Quite the opposite. At every rally, with thousands in attendance, I was overwhelmingly showered with affection and thanks for standing up for America. At one rally, a sign read, "Lloyd Marcus for President". These protesters are not racist. They are decent hard working ordinary Americans who love their country and disapprove of the radical changes planned by the Obama administration. Race is not an issue with them. They have deep concerns for their country.
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Many in the crowd were sobbing. Then they showered us with thanks, hugs, bottled water, bags of shacks and homemade treats. I thought, "How many angry racist mobs bake and bring brownies and overwhelm a black guy with affection and hugs?"
Of course, go read the whole thing.
Hey Mark, why did obama extend 3 key provisions of the patriot act recently? Is that your idea of change?
Kevin, of course you can criticize the president without it being racist. When someone talks of the deficit, for example, and complains of the president piling it on for future generations, that is a race free comment. When someone holds up a picture of the president dressed up as a "savage" in Africa (as was done in the tea part march on DC last Sat), that IS racist.
I think you are having trouble seeing the simple fact that everyone is a racist. I have bias and so do you. Black people are biased against white people. Black people are biased against Asians. It isn't talked about much but black people are biased against different shades of black--a very big taboo to talk about outside of the black community. Most people have difficulty seeing it in themselves. I don't.
So, when Rush Limbaugh says that President Obama has created a nation in which white kids are being beaten by black kids, who in the fuck do you think he is appealing to? People that biased against black people which is a large part of the base of the conservative movement.
No, Ed. You are. Look at the base of your party. They vote in pure fear of the "other" and the people with the R next to their name know this and exploit it constantly. This all started with Nixon's Southern strategy that I mentioned above and it as worked out quite well over the years.
RLD, a little off topic but as I have said previously, I don't agree with everything he does. My knowledge of this is minimal at present so I don't have much of an opinion to offer.
When someone holds up a picture of the president dressed up as a "savage" in Africa (as was done in the tea part march on DC last Sat), that IS racist.
And so if one, or ten, people out of a thousand does that - then EVERYONE THERE IS A RACIST, right?
Juris, everyone is. Sorry. That's part of human nature. I'll give you an example of my bias.
Last Tuesday night, I was at a bar that was busy and filled with many people. Three Muslim looking guys came walking in-each with very heavy backpacks and all I do is look for a trigger mechanism in their hands. In fact, they were computer nerds who just got off work. But that was the first thing my mind went to...that is bias.
Nobody here felt like defining The Right. Typical. Sorry Adam, no soup for you I guess.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/12_say_most_opponents_of_obama_health_care_plan_are_racist
Congrats, you are considered a fringe lunatic on the left. Most of us already knew that since facts, logic, and history don't dent your "educated" and "enlightened" positions. Too bad you can't see outside your little feedback loop giving you bad info.
6kings, 42% of the Democrat party thinks Bush either knew about 9/11 in advance and let it happen so he could have an excuse for war, or planned it himself. In other words, they consider him guilty of high treason and conspiracy to commit the mass murder of 2,996 American civilians.
Forty-two percent (42.6% actually). The "lunatic fringe" of the Democrat party is its core, apparently.
GOF, putting the words "knowledge" and "Bush" together in a sentence is always just plain wrong. The look on his face clearly showed that he was scared shitless and knew nothing of what was happening.
That being said, I think it's quite amusing that to even question the government line on 9-11 means you are a lunatic. It's a fact they knew an attack was coming. Rumsfeld admitted it. They did nothing to stop it. It's up to us to judge why that was and to ask questions. If you think asking questions means one is a part of the lunatic fringe....well...it sounds awfully similar to those who questioned the Reichstag Fire.
Everyone has biases, yes. Everyone makes snap judgments based on limited information, yes. You wouldn't last long without a brain that works that way.
But stop conflating "bias" with "racism"--the belief that one race is superior to another. Mark, your own anecdote was centered around your beliefs about the other party's RELIGION. Race didn't even play into that, and you were still using the story to prove that we're all "racist".
Do you see why people say that word has no meaning anymore?
Gotcha, Mark. Being a Troofer doesn't make you a nut. Thinking the President's intel was "intel" right up until Clinton left office and Bush took it up, at which point it magically became "a lie"... that doesn't make you a nut.
Thinking a bill should be read and discussed before it gets voted on... or that someone who openly calls himself "communist" and "socialist" is in fact a communist or socialist... or thinking an organization under investigation in over a dozen states, with members in 5 different offices caught on video aiding criminal activity, might actually be corrupt, even criminal... THAT's nuts.
Just like "we're all biased"... but only Joe Wilson and Rush Limbaugh are "fucking racist".
Gotcha. 'Nuff said. Sorry I wasted yer time.
GOF and Eric, see my post above-Maher's latest New Rules-regarding racism.
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