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Saturday, January 15, 2011

Another Excellent Summation

I think it speaks volumes that our new Speaker of the House chose to skip the memorial service in Arizona and stay in DC. One need only look at his reason for skipping out to see yet another illustration of why I am a Democrat.

He had to go to a cocktail party.

27 comments:

GuardDuck said...

memorial service

You mean Obama pep rally?

TheBigGig said...

No Mark. You are a Democrat because you are brainwashed by Statists in education and media and you are incapable of thinking in new ways. You're stuck in an emotion-based world and incapable of being reflective. You have come to love big centralized government and really believe that the elite should shove their version of utopia down the people's throats no matter how much the people object. "Power to the People" is anathema to you.

Mark Ward said...

What a strange world you live in, BigGig.

Obama pep rally, GuardDuck? I guess I have to say I'm surprised. I didn't think you were that cynical.

Santa said...

Strange, Mark? That's being kind. I'd like BigGig to point out the difference between his statement above and this one.

"The majority of citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America's Constitution. You don't have to accept the federalist laws. In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar. No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver! No! I won't trust in god!

GuardDuck said...

Well Mark, I've been to a lot of funerals, wakes and memorial services and that was the first one that came complete with its own slogan and t-shirt and with cheering rather than tears.

juris imprudent said...

M does not occur to you how warped your world is? You could've talked about the excellence of Obama's speech. But no, instead you snipe at the Speaker of the House. I suppose if Boehner had been there you'd still be talking about how his presence didn't absolve him of his guilt. All Republicans are guilty of something, aren't they M?

Mark Ward said...

came complete with its own slogan and t-shirt and with cheering rather than tears.

I think you may need to review these facts, Guard Duck.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/jan/14/did-white-house-brand-arizona-memorial-service-log/

Michelle Malkin=lying again. So gullible, GD.

Anonymous said...

I think you need to learn how to read, Mark.

Did he say a single word about the slogan and the t shirt being done by the White House? If he did, I can't spot it.

came complete with its own slogan and t-shirt and with cheering rather than tears.

That is, in fact, spot on accurate. The White House may not have intended it to be an Obama pep rally (I doubt they did, it makes them look insensitive and creepy, and they're smart enough to know that), but an Obama pep rally is precisely what it turned into.

Markadelphia=lying again.

GuardDuck said...

No Mark, I don't read Malkin. I told you my basis for it being a pep rally. No gullibility to ascribe it to.

I don't know if you've ever worked a presidential event. I have. I can tell you nothing happens that the white house doesn't know about. Nothing. Bridezilla ain't got nothing on a white house staffer. So I don't believe the white house knew nothing about it.

Imagine that instead of 'someone else' putting the t-shirts out, that the campus young republicans club put out 'Palin 2012' shirts on every seat. That would be the sort of major embarrassment that would get someone in the administration fired. Whoever that potentially fired staffer is, is the person who ok'd the 'together we thrive' slogan and it's accompanying souvenir's.

So, if you don't believe that the white house 'runs' it's events to spec, you might be the one who is sadly naive. On the other hand if truly Obama's staff didn't know and ok those t-shirts then his administration is even more inept than I gave them credit for.

Funny how in this case they are pleading that they were too incompetent to do what any wedding coordinator could, yet they are perfectly capable of fixing the economy - or anything else for that matter.

Mark Ward said...

What a sad and cynical fucking place both of you live in. You just can't allow any sort of good thing to be associated with Obama, can you? He MUST fail because he is the DEVIL. Your pathology is disgusting and it's no wonder that you that you obsess about BDS when it's clearly your perception of how people think.

Did either of ever stop to think that maybe the T shirts were made up by the university because AZ is looking like a pretty crappy place to be right now? The image of Arizona, thanks to the actions of like minded people like both of you and others here, is awful. The university stands to lose a great deal of money and I would think they would be grateful to President Obama for coming to show that there are actually people there who want to solve problems as opposed to make them worse.

And, naturally, I can't be right about anything...EVER! Soooo played, dudes.

GuardDuck said...

Mark,

I didn't say they weren't made up by the Univ. But whether or not they were - the administration approved it or they didn't.

If they did approve it they approved a pep rally. If they didn't they are incompetent. Which do you think it is?

AZ is a pretty crappy place? Most people I've talked to in AZ are pretty happy with the state?

And of course your solution to any perceived problem is the government to the rescue - it's pathological for you too.

Mark Ward said...

Which do you think it is?

This question was answered in the politifact article above. The administration did not approve it. But they are incompetent because YOU say they are? Why is that exactly? It seems to me that they stayed out of a state issue which is behavior of which I thought you would approve. So, my answer to your question is that they didn't know about it in advance but that doesn't make them incompetent...rather, a supporter of a state university's right to do what they want.

The solution here wasn't 'government to the rescue.' You made an accusation that was false. You can certainly have the opinion that it was a pep rally for Obama but that is not what the university nor the Obama administration intended. There were plenty of Republicans there including my rep, Erik Paulsen, whose personal tribute was equally as moving as President Obama's because Giffords and Paulsen are good friends. Their families are close.

Perhaps it's the "Together We Thrive" slogan that's got your undies in a bunch. All that love and getting along...helping people...supporting each other in a time of crisis..can't have that now, can we? Sounds like a bunch of pinko commie fag shit. It might make those liberals look good and then what? You look bad and (gasp!) lose the argument. I know that you don't like President Obama but that's no reason to be so cynical that you can't see what the university was trying to clearly accomplish.

Here's the deal, Guard Duck, if people like Michelle Malkin are effectively silenced because they lose their audience due to people become uninterested in hearing anger, hate and fear language any more , I can always write about other stuff. In fact, I'd be happy! Essentially, I'd lose nothing.

But the loss to the right wing blogshpere would be devastating. You guys are capitalizing on a lot of rage out there now. What are you going to do when it goes away?

GuardDuck said...

This question was answered in the politifact article above.

No, it wasn't. I not only read, but unlike you I comprehended the article. Politifact said 'absent evidence to the contrary' or something to that effect. That doesn't 'prove' anything. It simply shows a lack of evidence available to maintain the aforementioned claim.

they are incompetent because YOU say they are? Why is that exactly?

Read Mark. Read and understand. This was a presidential event. I don't care if it was in Atlanta Georgia or former Soviet Republic Georgia, a presidential event is choreographed by the white house and the secret service. In other words if they did not know that some yahoo was running around putting out unknown items in an area the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES was going to be visiting shortly then they are too incompetent to run a fucking wedding let alone this country.

Next you claim that "they didn't know about it in advance" but at the same time they are supporting the university's rights. How does that work Mark? They can't support something out of ignorance. Support is an activity. If they did not know about it, how the hell can you claim they were supporting it? Make up your mind.


that is not what the university nor the Obama administration intended.

You know this how?

There were plenty of Republicans there

I don't understand this point. Perhaps you are trying to say 'look, it can't be a pep rally because these guys showed up.' Is that it? That would presuppose that the pep rally was announced as a pep rally ahead of time. No-one has claimed that have they?


The rest of your screed is garbage and I'm late to work. But I'll part with this...

What are you going to do when it goes away?

It will go away when the right has nothing more to be angry about. Which means at that time the left will be massively angry. In other words, I will personally go back to what I was doing when W was in office. And you will probably be screaming in apoplectic rage at that point. Shoe, other foot and all.

Don said...

I have to go with Guarduck here - nothing happens at these events without the approval of the white house. They probably didn't print the tshirts themselves but they allowed it to happen.

Mark Ward said...

Here is the problem as I see it, folks. No evidence means no evidence. You might have the (cynical) opinion that it was approved and a pep rally organized by the Obama administration but that doesn't make it so. The mantra on here is evidence and facts, right?

Here is some more info from Fox

http://nation.foxnews.com/arizona-shooting-rampage/2011/01/13/t-shirts-handed-out-tucson-memorial

And some more.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-truth-about-the-together-we-thrive-t-shirts-at-the-tucson-memorial/

There is quite a bit of debunking of many of the claims floating around in the above link.

Of course, I can't pull you out of your perception of the 'Evil Statism' and tyranny of the Obama administration. This would be a delusion, not an opinion, b to the w. It's up to you to try to accept that your perception is a little off.

It will go away when the right has nothing more to be angry about.

This is a great example of how unlikely that is. Their tenacity for rage, hate and anger is limitless. Until everyone agrees with exactly everything they say and does everything they ask, they will be angry. Now, what sort of a government is that, Guard Duck?

GuardDuck said...

Now, what sort of a government is that, Guard Duck?

Well Mark, it's the exact same sort of situation we have when the right is in power and the left is pissed off. Stop playing the rube and thinking the left doesn't getting panty twisting crazy when the right is calling the shots. I, for one, have not forgotten the antics and rhetoric of the left from 2000-2008. Such has been graphically displayed to you over the last couple weeks so you should also be intimately familiar with it.


Now your links. WTF Mark? Has anyone here, have I said the white house printed up or ordered the shirts?

LISTEN: I did not say the white house made the shirts. GOT THAT? STOP ARGUING AGAINST SOMETHING I HAVEN'T SAID AND ADDRESS THE POINTS I'VE MADE.

We'll try logical statements again.

Here is a true statement: "Either the white house knew about the shirts and slogan at the event or they did not."

That is a true statement and does not require an answer.

Another true statement: "If the white house did know about the shirts and slogan, either they did approve of it or they did not."

Comment? (Commentary- if they approved it then they approved of something that sure looks like a pep rally, making them stupid and insensitive. If they didn't approve it - why would a president who didn't approve of it still have his event?)

And here's the point I've been making and you can't seem to get your head around. If the white house did not know about the shirts and slogan, why would they put the president at risk for either physical or political harm by not using due diligence to vet the location, people and agenda of an event he was going to be present for? Does that make any sense Mark? I mean, if you were invited to speak at a rally, would you jump on stage and speak without noticing beforehand that you were at a neo-nazi parade? If you would just check a few things out before hand, why do you think it isn't reasonable to expect, nay demand that the group in charge of our country be competent enough to look around before putting the leader of the free world on stage? That is why the claim that the white house did not know about the shirts and slogan is unbelievable and if true should be a source of ridicule and scorn for the ability of the administration to govern its way out of a paper bag.

6Kings said...

Here is the problem as I see it, folks. No evidence means no evidence.

I can't believe you posted this without a brain meltdown. You have spent the last week pontificating about 'righty' rhetoric causing the Arizona shooting with NO evidence and yet you trot that line out?

By the way, your evidence seems to never address the points we are arguing, just tangents. Try again.

Mark Ward said...

There is no equating the Bush Years to the Obama years. The anger was for two completely different reasons. During the Bush Years, the left was largely angered by the Iraq War. People were dying in a war that was clearly intended to boost the profits of oil companies and the defense industry. People...dying. Get it? There was also a daddy complex issue involved but that's a whole other topic. The right is now angry because...President Obama signed a health care bill? Saved capitalism? The former are concrete reasons to be mad and the latter are delusions brought about by a propaganda campaign with leaders who are entertainers (self admitted) and not serious policy people. There is a very big difference between the basis for anger in both time frames.

One could also look at the Bush years as one giant example of incompetence. We are where we are at due to this incompetence. Failure to admit this proves one of my ongoing points: if there is an 'R' next to the name, you can pretty much forget about any sort of claim of responsibility...unless they acted like liberals in which case it's OK to rip them apart as RINOs or not "pure."

There's no equating the governments either. Bush did what he wanted. End of. Obama has compromised on just about every major policy issue he has put forth...well...the ones that passed. Some did not. Life's pretty crappy under the new cap and trade law, right? Oh, wait. It never fucking happened! And why is that? Because Democrats, liberals and progressives believe in consensus. Consensus to a conservative is simply code for Marxism. The right has a power the left will NEVER have. If something has a 30 percent approval rating, the base sends out its forces on radio, Fox, and the right wing blog sphere. A zillion mega does of hate, anger and fear later and...presto! Just enough support to pass yet another law that will bring us backward. Worse, we move further away from reality into a child like land of total unreality.

why would they put the president at risk for either physical or political harm by not using due diligence to vet the location, people and agenda of an event he was going to be present for?

How exactly would the president be physically harmed by the presence of a T shirt? And now the T-Shirts are a neo Nazi parade? Wow, dude, you have really lost me. I think you need to look at some simple explanations for the presence of the shirts. It's not so difficult once you break out of your...ehem...mindset.

GuardDuck said...

Oh? The vile rhetoric is ok when it's done for a just cause? Is that the excuse Mark? Just who gets to say what a good reason is then? You? Jon Stewart? Please.


How exactly would the president be physically harmed by the presence of a T shirt?


What FUCKING T-shirt Mark? THERE IS NO SPOON! Under the assertion that the white house DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE T-SHIRTS, THEN THEY COULD HAVE BEEN ANYTHING, OR NOTHING. Do you see how stupid it sounds that the white house did not know about it?

And now the T-Shirts are a neo Nazi parade?

Rhetorical question, used as an illustrative device. You know, a method of teaching to broach a student to a different way of looking at a subject. In other words, if you can't see what and why I asked you that then you are to dense to talk to anymore.

Anonymous said...

Set up for an event where the President speaks (from personal experience):

Secret Service does background checks on all companies involved, including site owner, advertisers, etc.

Secret Service inspects the venue before anything is brought in.

Secret Service inspects any equipment to be brought in (lighting, audio, video cameras, even folding chairs and rolls of tape).

Secret Service does background checks on all members of setup crew.

Setup crew brings in equipment, sets up event.

Secret Service inspects venue again after setup is complete.

Secret Service inspects yet again the day of the event, before the President arrives.

Net result: Not even a toothpick inside the building that SS-PPU hasn't inspected and approved the presence of.

Last in line said...

Saved Capitalism is not exactly set in concrete either Bucko.

Nobody said that the t-shirts automatically equal neo-nazis...of course you're lost.

As long as one has a good reason to be mad, it's understandable...got it.

Cap and Trade isn't dead because of lack of consensus - it's dead because democrats don't want to own the consequences of it.

Mark Ward said...

See my post today. Looks like we may not need Cap and trade after all:)

Mark Ward said...

Anon, I guess I don't understand your point. So now the Secret Service organized the pep rally? The T Shirts were deemed safe? Hmmm...you need to see this post....

http://markadelphia.blogspot.com/2011/01/im-currently-engaged-in-discussion-in.html

Anonymous said...

The point is that regardless of how you feel about it, regardless of whether you think the White House planned it, and for that matter regardless of whether or not you care, there is simply no way in hell that it happened without the SS being aware of it in advance and deciding it was okay.

I'm not claiming the White House was behind it, and I'm not sure anyone is. Personally I don't think they were, nor do I really care. But there's no way anyone can credibly claim they didn't know, at least a week in advance.

GuardDuck said...

And with those secret service guys come white house staffers. Staffers to do things like get O's ashtray and marboros in his room and set up his telepromter so he can speechify. And staffers who look around and make sure the event is set up to their liking, that there aren't any Sarah Palin 2012 banners hanging from the rafters and so on.

Mark Ward said...

Don't you think the Secret Service may have been more concerned with other things besides T shirts? I suppose it's possible they gave them a glance, saw they were a university deal, and then went on to things that actually mattered which brings up a good point...why does THIS MATTER to you?

I think it's because Obama looked good and we can't have that now, can we? Classic adolescent bullying.

People came together and were unified...also something that is a no no unless they have passed the purity test. The whole event had a giant stench of communism to it, no? It was almost as if Hitler was delivering the eulogy and everyone was wearing Swastikas except it instead of those it was those @$#@$@#$@ T shirts!

GuardDuck said...

Wait, now you say Obama is Hitler? Wow dude you've really lost me.