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Sunday, April 08, 2012

Quick, Like A Bunny!


25 comments:

rld said...

Nice new O'Keefe video - he gets a copy of Eric holders ballot. No ID necessary. No problem with our system, none at all.

Mark Ward said...

And you believe him? Yeah, rld, keep hitching your wagon to that star:)

Show me the evidence of voter fraud...the actual prosecuted charges. No bias sites, just the cold, hard facts. You'll be surprised when you actually research it. In short, it's all right wing paranoia.

jeff c. said...

Uh, RLD? Isn't THAT voter fraud?

Tinsel Town said...

It took two seconds to find convictions for voter fraud from google.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/23/the-voter-fraud-hall-of-shame-milwaukee-voter-fraud-conviction-makes-acorn%E2%80%99s-2010-total-at-least-15/

Here is a small compiled list of voter fraud indictments and prosecutions around the country.

http://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp

Why are you so ignorant and willfully so?

Mark Ward said...

I asked for unbiased sources, Tinsel. So, you're going to need to provide backup sources for each of their claims...again, sources that are unbiased. Two seconds shows that you really didn't engage your critical thinking skills here.

And, honestly, both of your links show how rarely voter fraud does indeed occur (if they are factual sources). Compare those numbers to the total number of people convicted to the number of total voters in all of those elections. What does that work out to be, percentage wise?

This is a great example of how the issue of election fraud is exaggerated (aka panic mongering). I mean, we're talking about a handful of people in multiple elections and now it's a widespread problem with evil ACORN behind it all?

The other issue here with your second link is that not all of them are voter fraud. Since words do indeed have meaning, it's dishonest to say that this was a list that demonstrated voter fraud...a common mistake as voter fraud is often confused with other forms of election misconduct.

Here's a nice bit on the rarity of voter fraud...

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/mar/02/aclu-florida/shark-attacks-are-more-common-voter-fraud-florida/

This would be what I mean by cold, hard facts.

Why are you so ignorant and willfully so?

Sadly, another fine example of Projection/Flipping. I'm not the one living inside of the bubble and, hilariously, having a problem with simple percentages and math.

In the final analysis, though, this whole discussion is very trivial and silly when you consider that the voter ID Laws already in place in several states and have done nothing to deter many, many Democrats from voting. In fact, it may organize groups more effectively to make certain that everyone gets to vote. And it may leave many GOP voters (who also have some of the same issues with ID) unable to vote. So my question is...

What are you going to do when the new voter ID laws don't work? I mean, you do realize that your side's time is numbered...which is the whole point of these protestations....your numbers are dwindling.

Tinsel Town said...

Those links were in fact links for miscellaneous prosecutions including voter fraud. You asked...I provided. In fact, those are links mostly to local news stations if you even bothered to look. Vote fraud prosecution is indeed rare but not because it doesn't happen often. Prosecution is extremely difficult to prove and in most cases, not much impetus to spend tax dollars chasing difficult cases with little perceived gain. But then again, that would require thought, not your implication that voter fraud doesn't occur.

Again with your project/flipping theory. Someday you may break out of your idiotic stasis but alas, you seem to revel in it.

The only issue with voter ID requirement is your fantasy that some would be discouraged by it. Voting is a civic duty and if you care at all about voting, getting an ID is the most minimal requirement for anyone. Will it be ironclad? no. Just ask any police officer about required ID for purchasing alcohol. But it is going to make it a bit harder to cheat.

voter ID Laws already in place in several states and have done nothing to deter many, many Democrats from voting.

You are delusional and on the EXTREME LEFT of normal. Why would you have some conspiracy that this is to deter Democrats from voting? Are you that detached from reality?
It was never intended to restrict a party, just eliminate fraud. Wow.

last in line said...

Jeffc, it's only voter fraud if he says he actually is Holder and then signs for the ballot. He did neither (because he knew the law), and that video is hilarious.

Who cares about the link being Daily Caller - they were either convicted and sentenced or they weren't. Period. (Does that mean you can use a huffpo source now? Yep, sure does, yawn, I don't care)

>the voter ID Laws already in place in several states and have done nothing to deter many, many Democrats from voting.

Yet you fight very loudly and hard to keep people from having to show an ID, when we have to show our ID's for tons of things we do in our daily lives.

I've heard that "the other sides" time is numbered half a dozen times on this blog. That wishful thinking prediction just doesn't ever come true does it? Don't worry - I'm sure the next time WILL REALLY BE THE BIG ONE WHERE EVERYONE WILL FINALLY WAKE UP!! Yeah right.

Mark Ward said...

Last, explain to me how the GOP lasts. You have a party that's splintered into 3 groups. Your demographics skew old, male and white. The demographics of the nation are going in the opposite direction. The last presidential election you won by a big margin was 1988. 2006 and 2008 were a total demolition job. Even with a crappy economy, the GOP could only manage a half victory in 2010. The likely nominee in 2012 isn't really a conservative after a primary season that turned off even conservative voters. The facts are there for you to see. You just don't like to admit when you are wrong.

Mark Ward said...

Oh, and I'll add in the lowest approval rating of any Congress EVER.

Tinsel, so that's a "No" then to critical thinking and actually researching it in an unbiased way? Hey, I just saw that Michele Malkin put up a piece about voter fraud. Care to add that in to your serious examination?

Sadly, this is another example of creating fiction because you can't run against the actual people. Voter fraud is simply not a serious or widespread problem in this country.

Tinsel Town said...

Voter fraud is simply not a serious or widespread problem in this country.

Hmm, millions disagree. Imagine that. And if left unchecked, we can move into Putin territory.

Mark Ward said...

Your own evidence supports my statement, Tinsel, and that's assuming that it's accurate.

There are millions of people that think the earth is 6000 years old. Because they disagree with evolution (a proven, scientific fact), does that mean their sheer numbers hold credence?

Look, you can believe whatever you want to believe. One of the reasons I have this blog is illustrate the fictional narrative that you guys propagate...narratives which are increasingly becoming more and more unhinged, I might add.

And, again, I think this whole thing is going to come back and bite you folks on the ass. No doubt, I will enjoy that when it happens.

jeff c. said...

I'm still waiting for the critical analysis from Tinsel Town.

last in line said...

In my post above I clarified what voter fraud would have been, I said that those people were either sentenced and convicted or they weren't, I pointed out that you lefties sure do fight hard to keep from having to show ID when you vote, and that your half dozen predictions such as the end of the GOP, the twilight of the loudmouth radio host, the end of conservatism, and so on haven't come true because, as the evidence shows, they are still around.

You respond by talking about demographics, margins in past elections, and Romney. 3 subjects that don't counter anything I said, then you say that I'm wrong. huh?

Rush is still on the air, you really don't want to have people show ID when they vote, and the GOP is still very much around. Know how I know that I'm right on that last one? Because of the 19 entries on the front page of your blog right now, 15 of them are about Republicans...Scott Walker, GOP voter ID laws, Paul Ryan, Rush Limbaugh, Romney, GOP pundits, Ron Paul, oil companies, the NRA, Michael Brodkorp, Romneys house and Romneys dog, the usual. For a "side" that is supposedly going away, you sure do spend a lot of time reading about them, researching them, and talking about them.

and I'm absolutely RIGHT in that last paragraph.

Mark Ward said...

Yeah, me too, Jeff. Don't hold your breath, though

the end of conservatism, and so on haven't come true because, as the evidence shows, they are still around.

Well, where's the conservative on the GOP ballot? If conservatism is alive and well, why isn't there one running against Barack Obama?

As I usually do with this stuff, I'm looking for you to make a critical analysis of the facts all of which you have dismissed. Don't you think its significant that the president leads Mitt Romney by nearly 20 points in polls of women? By 60 points in polls with Latinos? Last, even guys on your own side (Jeb Bush) are saying that the GOP can't win if they don't start changing their views about Latino voters.

I know this is a tough pill to swallow but your party is falling apart. If you think I'm wrong, show me. Saying that they are "still around" doesn't mean shit. How does the GOP win over younger voters? Not continue to alienate female voters? In short, how does your party survive given fundamental demographic facts?

Rush is still on the air, you really don't want to have people show ID when they vote, and the GOP is still very much around.

Yes, and I hope he stays that way and keeps talking as he has been an enormous asset to the Democratic party in the last few months.

My only issue with photo ID is that if people have to pay for it which amounts to a poll tax. Since I know you are all about the law, I would hope that you would be against that as well. Other than that, let's give everyone a photo ID and it will be one less thing for you guys to whine about. I'll ask you again...what are you going to do when all of this backfires on you?

Because of the 19 entries on the front page of your blog right now,

I don't understand what that is supposed to prove. Oh yes, that's right...I don't talk about Obama's policies enough. Well, you can click on the "Obama's policies" tag

http://markadelphia.blogspot.com/search/label/Obama%27s%20policies

and you will see plenty of things to discuss. Not to spoil a surprise but I have two items going up tomorrow that will be added to that list that I'm certain you will find most interesting.

But, hey, continue on with the fiction. With no real policy or solutions, that's just about all that's left, eh?

last in line said...

I said they are still around as evidenced by the majority of the entries on this blog.

I think Romney will be shown to be "conservative enough" and as to why there isn't someone more conservative on the ballot - how could I know that. You can't get elected president if you don't run for the office so you'll have to ask folks like Ryan, Christie and Rubio why they didn't run. I can't answer for them.

So you want me to prove to you that the republicans aren't falling apart? Can't be done - I'm taking care of my home front and I'm not on this blog much anymore. I'm sure you have plenty of links to show how republicans are in trouble. Yawn. I'll point out to you the 2010 election results - and your opinion that the republicans will take control of the senate later this year. They're going to win back the senate in the midst of falling apart - gotcha.

I think you are projecting your obsession with politics onto me - it's not a tough pill for me to swallow if the gop loses elections - I don't attach myself to politicians or political parties.

What am I going to do when it all backfires on me? Absolutely nothing - I'm still waiting for some evangelical Christian to fuck me over somehow - something you told me would happen.

I have too much evidence in the archives on this blog of me making long posts about policy and then getting no responses to it. Moved on.

juris imprudent said...

Well, where's the conservative on the GOP ballot?

LMAO - you think Obama is going to call Romney a moderate all campaign long? What a fucking maroon.

Mark Ward said...

No, but you will, juris and that's my whole point.

True of False...to most conservatives in this country, Mitt Romney is not a conservative.

juris imprudent said...

I'm going to call Romney a conservative? I don't think so, but Obama sure will.

You do understand the difference between me and all of the conservatives in the country, right?

Mark Ward said...

I'm going to call Romney a conservative?

No, you will call him a moderate which, of course, he is. He's not a conservative but he is playing the part. In fact, he's sounding more and more like one of Kevin's regular posters.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hD62RRrpR3vv8jIYyYl02-mF1rsA?docId=57bd9ba543f040a0904793f6a231ee86

"Romney portrayed Obama as a weak leader who apologizes for America's greatness and prefers European-style socialism over robust free enterprise."

Why is he appealing to the far right?

juris imprudent said...

Why is he appealing to the far right?

LOL - what you think he is going to win by running to the left? Of course he will appeal to the right, near or far. The right doesn't find him all that appealing. In this case the right is smarter than the left. The left is still going to vote for Obama, even though he pissed all over them just like Reagan did the so-cons.

Mark Ward said...

LOL - what you think he is going to win by running to the left?

In order to win, he has to appeal to moderates. And he has to win back women and Latinos as well. So, I don't understand all the macho, xenophobic jingoism.

juris imprudent said...

In order to win, he has to appeal to moderates

Which is exactly what he will do after the Convention and why Obama will try so furiously to paint him as an outrageous conservative.

In the meantime, he wants to try to keep the Republican base engaged, so he attempts to placate the right. He just does it really poorly - about like Kerry with the left.

Hilary Rosen said...

Just doing my job trying to unite women. I've visited the white house 35 times, probably to coordinate all the damage control that is going on as we speak with Michelle Obama, Axelrod and everyone else taking to twitter. Yes that white house - where women make 18% less than men. Stay at home parenting isn't a real job now according the democrat strategists.

rld said...

Enjoy that lead in the polls among women Markadelphia. The only place the lead exists is in your little polls, and it's evaporating as we speak.

Mark Ward said...

He just does it really poorly - about like Kerry with the left.

Well, I agree with you there. In many ways, he does remind me of John Kerry. But if he turns to the middle after the convention, doesn't he risk losing enthusiasm in the base which would result in low voter turnout in November?

Stay at home parenting isn't a real job now according the democrat strategists.

This comment is amusing for several reasons. First, the fact that you've seized on this show how truly desperate you are to win back women voters. This is your tide turner after weeks of Rush and male congressional testimony? How childish...Second, do you think this is even going to be talked about in 7 months? Heck, a week? Third, Ann Romney has been talking about how women in the work force are worried about the economy. Yet Ms. Romney hasn't actually worked in the work force for any significant amount of time, has she? So how does she know? So, this was not a comment about housewives...unless you live in Barack X land. Fifth, aren't you guys supposed to be talking about the economy?

Oh, and all I really have to do to get you guys to fuck up again is mention how women should be in charge of their own birth control. No doubt, that will elicit a few comments (straight from controlling male of 2000 years ago land) that will make everyone forget who Hillary Rosen is...if they even did in the first place.

and it's evaporating as we speak.

Where? How?