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Tuesday, October 25, 2011

The Cheese is Slipping

The right seems to have an extra layer of froth on their mouth these days and I think I know why. Take a look at this poll. Here are some of the questions and responses.

Q11. IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, A GROUP OF PROTESTORS HAS BEEN GATHERING ON WALL STREET IN NEW YORK CITY AND SOME OTHER CITIES TO PROTEST POLICIES WHICH THEY SAY FAVOR THE RICH, THE GOVERNMENT’S BANK BAILOUT, AND THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. IS YOUR OPINION OF THESE PROTESTS VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROTESTS TO HAVE AN OPINION?

VERY FAVORABLE 25%

SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE 29%

SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE 10%

VERY UNFAVORABLE 13%

DON’T KNOW ENOUGH 23%

NO ANSWER/DON’T KNOW 1%


That's over half with a favorable view and less than a quarter with an unfavorable view. But here are the real interesting results.

Q12. DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THAT POSITION?

A. WALL STREET AND ITS LOBBYISTS HAVE TOO MUCH INFLUENCE IN WASHINGTON

BASE: FAMILIAR WITH PROTESTS (787)


AGREE 86%

DISAGREE 11%

NO ANSWER/DON’T KNOW 4%

Q12. DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THAT POSITION?

B. THE GAP BETWEEN RICH AND POOR IN THE UNITED STATES HAS GROWN TOO LARGE

BASE: FAMILIAR WITH PROTESTS (787)


AGREE 79%

DISAGREE 17%

NO ANSWER/DON’T KNOW 3%

Q12. DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THAT POSITION?

C. EXECUTIVES OF FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN IN 2008 SHOULD BE PROSECUTED

BASE: FAMILIAR WITH PROTESTS (787)

AGREE 71%

DISAGREE 23%

NO ANSWER/DON’T KNOW 6%

Q12. DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THAT POSITION?

D. THE RICH SHOULD PAY MORE TAXES

BASE: FAMILIAR WITH PROTESTS (787)

AGREE 68%

DISAGREE 28%

NO ANSWER/DON’T KNOW 4%

Overwhelming majorities with all of these questions. What that tells me is the OWS movement is resonating with the majority of the public. Of course, this was the inevitable outcome because they are addressing the actual problem. People seem to be succumbing less to fear and anger while pursuing the real perpetrators of our economic woes. It's about time. It's also inevitable that the Tea Party message would erode with people. It worked in an off election year when the base cranked up their turnout and most Americans were absorbed in their daily lives. But now, with a presidential election a year away? Not so much. They simply don't have the numbers to go up against this. Thus, the desperate scramble to paint the occupiers as hippes/communists/fascists or whatever. Remember Alinksy's words in 1972?

The middle class actually feels more defeated and lost today on a wide range of issues than the poor do. And this creates a situation that's supercharged with both opportunity and danger. There's a second revolution seething beneath the surface of middle-class America -- the revolution of a bewildered, frightened and as-yet-inarticulate group of desperate people groping for alternatives -- for hope.

Their fears and their frustrations over their impotence can turn into political paranoia and demonize them, driving them to the right, making them ripe for the plucking by some guy on horseback promising a return to the vanished verities of yesterday. The right would give them scapegoats for their misery -- blacks, hippies, Communists -- and if it wins, this country will become the first totalitarian state with a national anthem celebrating "the land of the free and the home of the brave."

We may be seeing the beginning of the shift away from that now in Zuccotti Park. This is why my comments section is becoming Bircher on Lysergic acid diethylamide. Expect it to get worse.

6 comments:

Larry said...

Like I've said before, if this group were well educated, they would be out protesting the White House, Congress, Treasury, as well. Instead they're sticking to a fairly straight "capitalism is evil" line (as much as any line can be perceived from the muddled mishmash statements).

The difference between these wannabe freaks and the TEA Parties is that the TEA Parties got organized and have had serious electoral effects. I can't see these doofi organizing a panic in burning theater. I guarantee the TEA Parties left their gathering a whole lot cleaner than when they found them. Wonder if a hazmat team will be needed in Zucotti Park before it's over. And let's hope no further sexual assaults.

Mark Ward said...

Instead they're sticking to a fairly straight "capitalism is evil" line

Wrong. Capitalism is great. What we have now and what you are sadly supporting is not capitalism. I don't hate capitalism. I hate what's been done to it.

I can't see these doofi organizing a panic in burning theater.

Underestimate them at your own peril. They have a lot of people supporting them and sympathetic to their cause. If that translates into votes next year, you guys are fucked. I think you might want to prepare yourself for a "mea culpa" moment. You're believing a lot of the propaganda out there right now that simply isn't true. Most of it is pretty weak and I guess I'm surprised that you were so easily sucked in.

Juris Imprudent said...

What we have now and what you are sadly supporting is not capitalism.

Yeah, someone else said that the OWS protesters are correctly protesting against crony capitalism - unfortunately they favor the cronies.

last in line said...

Oh I'm sure they will vote next year - probably for the same party they always have voted for.

It's not a desperate scramble - it's quite easy to do.

I am in the middle class and I don't feel defeated and lost. I am not in the 99%.

Just because these folks are on TV more lately does not automatically mean the tea party message is eroding.

Tales of economic woe are not always funny but if you continue to showcase this group and their message it may make it near impossible for you to honestly tell us that the economy is in recovery.

Larry said...

But it will be as soon as we blow through at least another $2T stimulus spending before the election. Deficits and debts don't matter, don'cha know?

Just like the lady my wife works with who always feels better after she goes and puts another $200-300 on the credit card... She's out there doing Obama's work: stimulatin' like crazy...

last in line said...

No need for me to "prepare myself" for a mea culpa moment since I don't live and breathe politics. I pay attention to politics but it takes a lot more than election results to bring me down.