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Thursday, September 27, 2012

What The Hermetically Sealed Bubble Has Done To The Right


8 comments:

Anonymous said...

No surprise that 63% of (D) are wrong. Perhaps they listen to CBS News. Read this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20020542-503543.html

Note that this 2010 report is based on the writing of Wired's Noah Shachtman. They even provide a nice hyperlink.

Now go read the source article.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/

Interesting, isn't it? Same facts. Two different stories. Not just a little different. Totally opposite.

CBS: "At this point, history will still record that the Bush administration went into Iraq under an erroneous threat assessment that Saddam Hussein was manufacturing and hoarding weapons of mass destruction. "

Now, using THE EXACT SAME FACTS, here is Wired: "But WikiLeaks’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal that for years afterward, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins and uncover weapons of mass destruction."


So the answer seems to be that yes, there were WMD in Iraq.

jeff c said...

Ahem...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/yellowcake.asp

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/no-wmds-in-iraq/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soohikNdbWs

You're talking about stuff from the 80s and 90s. That doesn't count, dumb ass fuckstick who can't stand to lose an argument. If reality doesn't work, just make something up, right?

Mark Ward said...

Jeff, there's no point in fucking with their fiction. History has many examples of what happens when people's belief systems are being torn down and ending. They become more and more unhinged from reality until they are simply fanatical.

GuardDuck said...

If the gentleman accusing the other gentleman to be dumb would have read the first gentlemans link, then the second gentleman wouldn't look like a dumb fuck stick for assuming the first gentleman was talking about something he was not referring to.

Nikto said...

The Wikileaks article doesn't say that Saddam was hoarding weapons. It says there were some random leftovers from the 90s, that some terrorists started making their own toxins during the US occupation of Iraq after the invasion, and that other terrorists got them from Iran -- Saddam's worst enemy.

So, the truth appears to be that Saddam had no effective WMD program when we invaded, and Bush's occupation failed to prevent insurgents from making them and Iran from bringing them into Iraq.

Which means that those Republicans are still wrong. Our invasion served only to strengthen Iran by turning Iraq into an Iranian ally instead of an enemy, and putting Iran on alert that they would be next in line for invasion, providing the motivation for their push to gain nuclear technology.

All in all, Bush's invasion of Iraq was perhaps the biggest backfire in American foreign policy history.

Mark Ward said...

Agreed, Nikto. In their zeal to never be wrong and win every argument, they vainly grasp at anything...Jon Lovitz like ("Yeah, that's it...there WERE WMDs...never mind that they had been there since the 80s and 90s...IT STILL MEANS WMD!!!") and continue to live in a fictional world.

GuardDuck said...

It says there were some random leftovers from the 90s,


For a guy that wasn't supposed to have ANY, 'random' leftovers of something labeled to cause MASS destruction is still evidence of having WMD's right?

No? You want to parse what the meaning of 'is' is?

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George W. Bush
March 17, 2003


Hmmm, so having chemical and biological weapons "leftover" from the 90's (in the early 2000's) would indeed make this a true statement wouldn't it?



Of course, you all seem to forget that it wasn't just the EBILLL rethugs who said that Iraq had WMD's.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

juris imprudent said...

Speaking of hermetically sealed...

This challenges some of the assumptions of Stiglitz (and M) - that inequality is so corrosive.

“There was a strong sense in the working class that they had a shot [to get ahead], and this went along with a strong tendency to stress the individual’s responsibility for their own success or failure.”

Of course some people don't believe that you are responsible for your success (or failure - which is the real issue).