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Wednesday, April 10, 2013

A Deal On Guns

Sens. Joe Manchin and Pat Toomey have released the details on a gun bill which I believe goes a long way to addressing the very serious problems we have with our nation's gun laws. It also addresses the concerns of the Right regarding universal registration.

The Manchin-Toomey proposal would require background checks for sales at gun shows and online, but it will exempt personal transfers from such checks.

That eliminates the problem of being able to tell whether or not to tell if someone did a background check when a family member sells his gun to another family member. This would also be true if someone sells their gun to a neighbor or a friend. In all of these cases, knowing the person you are selling the gun to makes it a littler easier to live without a background check. My hope is that responsible gun owners won't engage in personal transfers if they think that they buyer, even if known to them, is mentally unstable. If they do anyway, well, the responsibility lies with them.

It also calls for the creation of a “commission on mass violence” that will study the sources of, and ways to prevent, the mass shootings that have plagued the country over the last decade.

Definitely needed. The core of this should be our mental health as a nation. The first question at the first meeting should be why are we such a violent culture? Substantive answers on this question with thorough analysis leading to direct action could work to reduce the demand for guns and, thus, eliminate the need for bans and other regulation.

For those worried about a national registry...

When a sale occurs, the buyer and seller would meet at a federally licensed dealer, who would conduct the check. The dealer — not the government — would keep control of the sales record, as has been the process for the last four decades. 

So, the gun dealers keep the records and, if there is a crime committed, the police can inquire with them.

Schumer negotiated several changes to the initial Manchin-Toomey proposal, including striking language from the agreement allowing concealed permit holders to carry their weapons in other states, and limiting Internet sales to five guns per year. He also worked to make sure there is a 72-hour window for performing background checks except for gun-show sales, which will be cleared in 48 hours initially. 

These are all good things that needed to happen long ago.

So, all commercial sales of guns without a background check will be considered a felony. If this law passes, it's going to prevent gun violence and make it harder for criminals and unstable people to acquire guns.

6 comments:

Juris Imprudent said...

So maybe, just maybe this passes the Senate. Do you really think the House has any interest in it whatsoever?

I'll be curious to see how they distinguish between a private transaction at a gun show and a private transaction not at a gun show.

Anonymous said...

I'm going to wait till I read the actual amendments before commenting on the actual proposed bill.

But I will comment on this:

So, all commercial sales of guns without a background check will be considered a felony. If this law passes, it's going to prevent gun violence and make it harder for criminals and unstable people to acquire guns.


LOL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This statement is so full of lose Mark. It demonstrates not only your ignorance but also shows that your entire basis for decision making re: gun control is nothing more than an emotional demand that something must be done.

Let's explore. You think that passing a law that mandates all commercial sales have a background check will make us "safer". This means that you think that what we have now is less safe than commercial sale background checks.

What we have now IS all commercial sales require background checks.

That you don't already know that, despite it being told to you prior, shows that you are unable to listen and learn.

That you can hear a proposal to create a law THAT DUPLICATES EXISTING LAW and think 'wow, that will improve things' shows that you have NO FUCKING IDEA what you are talking about. You don't have a baseline knowledge on what exists. Without that baseline you have no idea what effects the current law ACTUALLY had. Therefore you have NO IDEA what effects any modifications to that law will accomplish.

In short, you don't know where you are starting from, you don't know where you are going and you are just guessing on how to get there.

You've lost the last shred of credibility you've ever had on guns and gun control. Nothing you ever say about it has any meaning unless it is preceded by you stating 'I've been an utter emotional idiot about guns and gun control, I'm ready to shut up, sit down and let the grown ups teach me'.

Mark Ward said...

This statement is so full of lose Mark.

Yes, because it so important to "win" eh, GD? Win at what exactly?

shows that you have NO FUCKING IDEA what you are talking about.

shows that I am growing increasingly insecure about my position and realize that Mark is attempting to solve a problem while my intransigence and epistemic closure won't allow me to get off my fat ass. (bubble translated)

You know, you could have just said, "Eep! I look impotent...shit...now what?" if you were truly honest.

I'm ready to shut up, sit down and let the grown ups teach me'.

LOL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And that's the end of the discussion as to who is a grown up and who isn't.

Juris Imprudent said...

(bubble translated)

What a strange little world that exists between your ears.

You do realize that nothing is going to change - even if against all odds this law passes.

Just like masturbating, your climax will be for naught.

Anonymous said...

And that's the end of the discussion

Yes it is. I'm not the one who just made a colossal fool of himself by proclaiming that by passing a law that leaves unchanged the current state of affairs will result in change.


Mark is attempting to solve a problem

You could start by actually LEARNING about what you are talking about. But that's just too fucking hard for you isn't it.

Anonymous said...

In short, you don't know where you are starting from, you don't know where you are going and you are just guessing on how to get there.

Word! And M wonders why we ask so many questions about his positions. They are made up in ignorance but we already knew that.