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Thursday, May 01, 2014

Cancelling The Cancelled Plan Meme

Here's an interesting study on how the whole cancelled plan meme isn't quite the boiling pit of sewage they made it out to be. Here are its main findings.

First, this market was characterized by high turnover: Only 42 percent of people with nongroup coverage at the outset of the study period retained that coverage after twelve months. Second, 80 percent of people experiencing coverage changes acquired other insurance within a year, most commonly from an employer. Third, turnover varied across groups, with stable coverage more common for whites and self-employed people than for other groups. Turnover was particularly high among adults ages 19–35, with only 21 percent of young adults retaining continuous nongroup coverage for two years. Given estimates from 2012 that 10.8 million people were covered in this market, these results suggest that 6.2 million people leave nongroup coverage annually.

What does it mean?

This suggests that the nongroup market was characterized by frequent disruptions in coverage before the ACA and that the effects of the recent cancellations are not necessarily out of the norm. These results can serve as a useful pre-ACA baseline with which to evaluate the law’s long-term impact on the stability of nongroup coverage. 

The president should still be criticized for making it sound like the ACA would fix all of this but the fact is that without the ACA, if you liked your insurance, you wouldn't have gotten to keep it anyway. 

25 comments:

GuardDuck said...

That's about the most dishonest way of saying that as possible.

More honest: If you liked your plan you were still likely to change it at some point. Now we're going to force the changes upon you.

Mark Ward said...

The changes were going to be forced regardless of what the government did or did not do in terms of the ACA...a fact conveniently left out of the Obamacare bowl blowing.

GuardDuck said...

That is not what your own fucking link said. Christ Mark, at least you can try for a little extra reading comprehension on your own posts.

Mark Ward said...

This suggests that the nongroup market was characterized by frequent disruptions in coverage before the ACA and that the effects of the recent cancellations are not necessarily out of the norm

So, stupid, being a dick or just fucking with me?

GuardDuck said...

Do you understand the difference between quitting a job and being fired? Moving out of an apartment and getting evicted?

Being in a market with high levels of voluntary change and getting FORCED to change?

GuardDuck said...

So which are you? That you can't see something so obvious I'm going with stupid...but since you are also an unabashed partisan I could also agree with being a dick just to force your view through.

Mark Ward said...

Being in a market with high levels of voluntary change and getting FORCED to change?

Wait, do you think that people leave their insurance voluntarily? That insurance companies don't cancel plans and force you to take another one? Raise your rates? Seriously, dude. It happened to my wife and It every year with us when I was in school and she was contracting. I don't think you are that stupid. You're just being a coy dick (again) because you know you've been caught in BS (again)

Juris Imprudent said...

Wait, do you think that people leave their insurance voluntarily?

Some do, but of course you can't admit that, can you? No, it has to be all your way and the only way - no room for any nuance or shade of gray. How remarkable for such a reflective critical thinker as yourself.

I guess I didn't give up my last insurance by choice (since it was tied to my job) and accept a new job with lesser (but officially approved ObamaCare) benefits. Just did not happen because I couldn't possibly be allowed to freely choose to do such a thing.

GuardDuck said...

What, you think that nobody leaves their individual plans voluntarily? I did. Lots of people do. That's pretty much what your linked story was saying. FFS.

GuardDuck said...

From your link, 80% of people experiencing coverage changes for other insurance within a year, most commonly from their employer.

That's not canceled plans, that's not raised rates, that's not forced to take a new one.

That's leaving the individual market and getting a group plan.

Of course that still leaves the people on the individual market that wanted to keep their plan shit out of luck.

Mark Ward said...

But would they have been allowed to keep it without the advent of the ACA?

GuardDuck said...

Benefit of the ACA? You do remember that we are talking about people who lost plans they like because of the ACA, right?

Mark Ward said...

That's not really an answer, GD. Read the study again (or for the first time if you didn't, which it seems may be the case here).

GuardDuck said...

Yes it is an answer - the link DID NOT SAY THEY HAD THEIR PLANS CANCELLED. Did you miss that? It simply said there is a high turnover among people in the individual market. That does not imply they are being cancelled. It also does not imply they are self cancelled. However, since the majority of plans that are stopped are replaced within the year by group plans, that DOES IMPLY people leave the individual market and enter the group market. This is something I personally did when ceasing work as an independent contractor and starting work as an employee.

So your question of whether they could keep them without the advent of the ACA is meaningless - THEY WEREN'T LEAVING THEM DUE TO REASONS ADDRESSED BY THE ACA.

Mark Ward said...

This suggests that the nongroup market was characterized by frequent disruptions in coverage before the ACA and that the effects of the recent cancellations are not necessarily out of the norm.

And you accuse me of reading comprehension problems..tsk tsk...

GuardDuck said...

Frequency of disruption does not equal cause of disruption.

Reading comprehension. Try it.


Better yet - purchase the entire study and get the data, not just the synopsis.

Mark Ward said...

So, it's your contention that those plans which were cancelled under the ACA would NOT have been cancelled by the insurance companies prior to the implementation of the ACA?

GuardDuck said...

Uh, let's see.....

80% of those leaving the individual market.....got new insurance within the year....usually via employer plans....


Yeah.... that's what your link is contending.

Juris Imprudent said...

Yeah.... that's what your link is contending.

M doesn't care if his own link doesn't support his point, you know that. It isn't like we've never seen that before.

Mark Ward said...

M doesn't care if his own link doesn't support his point, you know that. It isn't like we've never seen that before.

Oh really?

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/obamacare-affordable-care-act-canceled-plans-105964.html

First line...

Millions of the plans that were canceled because they did not meet Affordable Care Act requirements probably would have been canceled anyway — by the policyholders, a new study suggests.

Huh. That's weird. It's almost as if they know how to comprehend words...

GuardDuck said...

Are you on drugs Mark?

For fuck's sake look at what you just quoted.

Millions of the plans that were canceled because they did not meet Affordable Care Act requirements probably would have been canceled anyway — by the policyholders, a new study suggests.

You do know who the policyholder is don't you?

You do realise that YOUR OWN QUOTE just affirmed EXACTLY what I have been telling you?

And you presume to lecture anyone about reading comprehension.....jeeez.

Mark Ward said...

But why would they have been canceled? It's not because of the policyholders. Be honest.

GuardDuck said...

Your own link said they were cancelled by the policy holders.

You need to be honest.

Mark Ward said...

Did they do it on their own or for some other reason?

GuardDuck said...

Some good advice Mark - when you're in a hole, quit digging.