So, how many quotes are there about homosexuality in the Bible?
Well, according to CARM, there are four. Given that they are one of the many wings of the American Taliban, believers in Republican Jesus, and have a direct line to what God thinks, saying that the Bible "doesn't speak of homosexuality very often" they should know of what the speak, right? So, four....that's 4 mentions of homosexuality.
How many times does the Bible say women should be submissive to their husbands?
That would be 29 times.
So, it seems to me that God places more importance on women submitting to their husbands as they do to Christ than homosexuality. If a woman does not do this, what happens?
This would be a great example of how the Bible is just plain wrong. Women are not second class citizens and should be treated equally (as everyone else is) in the eyes of God. Considering that the Bible was written by (flawed) men at a time long before equal rights, we have to adjust the teachings of the Bible and look past antiquated notions of gender and sex.
Oh, yeah...and how many verses are there on caring for the poor?
Anywhere from 100 to 300, depending upon how specific you want to get.
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This would be a great example of how the Bible is just plain wrong.
Wrong? As in factually incorrect or wrong as applied to morally right and wrong? the latter I think.
A moral determination that is based by an ever changing set of moral judgements.
A moral judgement upon a book that is in essence a guide to morality.
A guide to morality that you claim is "just plain wrong".
Something that is "just plain wrong" but yet you still claim to follow.
If you follow the other items in the book that you accept as 'not wrong' but do not follow the other items that are "just plain wrong" I have to ask - are you following the guide to morality that you claim to follow, or are you making up your own morality that changes with the times?
and how many verses are there on caring for the poor?
How many verses are there on voting to take money from other people to give to the poor?
Okay, you keep yourself all worked up about what your fellow Christians think and pay no attention to this. I guess being knocked up for jihad ain't against the book, so it must be okay, huh?
This would be a great example of how the Bible is just plain wrong.
While I'm not inclined to argue against this, it is indeed a peculiar argument for a believer to make. After all, if the Bible is wrong about some things - in your opinion - how can you have any confidence that it is right about others?
Martin Luther didn't protest against Catholic decadence in order to permit (let alone encourage) that kind of heresy.
After all, if the Bible is wrong about some things - in your opinion - how can you have any confidence that it is right about others?
That's one of the things I've been trying to illustrate for him.
I think he notices the correlation of certain things he believes with those same things in the Bible. This causes him to say the Bible is 'right' on these matters. Those other things that don't correlate to the Bible are 'wrong'.
He'd be much more honest, internally and externally, if he just considered himself to have 'christian based' beliefs. Much like Hollywood can have a movie 'based on a true story', but with huge liberties taken.
Oh, left out:
".... don't correlate to the Bible are 'wrong'." Of course what this really means is HE is the arbiter of right vs. wrong, not God. Pretty vain for one who professes to be a Christian huh?
how many quotes are there about homosexuality in the Bible?
Well, according to CARM, there are four.
So what?!?
There are also only 4 passages condemning bestiality, and unlike the homosexuality passages, they're only in the Old Testament. Does that mean you're going to run out and lie with a goat tonight?
Every single condemnation of homosexuality is absolutely clear. There are also no verses that mitigate that condemnation in any way.
Furthermore, there are a number of passages that clearly (and unequivocally) define marriage as one man, one woman, for life. When you define what something is you usually don't need to define what it is not.
In addition, there are 30 verses that specifically condemn "sexual immorality" in the New Testament (as found in the ESV translation). That's a catchall term that covers all sexual behavior outside of marriage, and that includes homosexuality.
God says it is sin in no uncertain terms. Even once should be enough.
How many times does the Bible say women should be submissive to their husbands?
That would be 29 times.
Bzzt. Fact check. That link includes the same passage (Ephesians 5) multiple times. It also includes numerous verses that say no such thing. (I've seen that site before when trying to do a similar topical search. It's self-evidently worthless, which is why I've never linked to it.)
But again, so what?!?
Do you complain about this passage (which appears right after the most famous instance)?
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, … In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church,
— Ephesians 5:25, 28–29
If you're married and that doesn't make you gulp hard, you're not paying attention. Is the wife who submits to a man like this at any risk? The answer should be obvious to anyone who is not a knucklehead.
Women are not second class citizens and should be treated equally (as everyone else is) in the eyes of God.
Jesus is totally submissive to the Father. Does that make him a "second class citizen" in the godhead? Is He not equal to God?
Organized roles is not the same thing as "second class".
For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
For the body does not consist of one member but of many. If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would be the sense of hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell? But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. If all were a single member, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, yet one body.
— 1 Corinthians 12:12–20
and how many verses are there on caring for the poor?
Anywhere from 100 to 300, depending upon how specific you want to get.
And not a single one telling you to reach into someone else's pocket to do so. Nor a single one saying that it's the government's job.
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