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Thursday, October 14, 2010

A Sign for The Future

If you want to see what life would be like if the New and Hulked Out GOP is given control of anything in the future, take a look at the story of Gene Cranick.

Mr. Cranick is a resident of Obion County, Tennessee which requires its residents to pay a $75 fee to put out fires. Yea! No stinkin' socialism here, folks. Cranick forgot to pay it so firefighters would not come out to his home when he called. They did arrive, however, to spray down a water line between his neighbor's house (who paid the fee) and Cranick's burning abode. They stayed there to make sure the fire didn't spread and watched Cranick's house burn to the ground despite pleas and a payment in hand.

This isn't fear mongering for a future that isn't here yet. This is real. It happened. And it makes on wonder if the possible future so eloquently detailed in the film Repo Men (in which all government is neutered and corporations run health care at insanely high interest rates) might not be fear mongering at all. Robert Creamer put it best recently on HuffPo

Competitive markets are extremely efficient at encouraging innovation, increasing productivity and distributing goods and services in many arenas. But there are other arenas where history and experience have demonstrated that it is both more efficient and more humane to provide goods and services through government -- which, as Congressman Barney Frank likes to say, is the name we give to the things we have chosen to do together.

The core difference in values between the right wing and progressives is whether we create a society where we're all in this together, or all in this alone.

Mainstream Americans understand that there are a number of areas where it makes much more economic and moral sense to guarantee goods and services to everyone in the society and ask our citizens to finance them by paying their fair share of taxes rather than paying for them "ala carte".

More humane. Think about that for a minute. Which party do you think is more humane? I think that the Republican Party, in its all out effort and zeal to build a nation of rugged individualists, has forgotten the value of teamwork. In fact, they shit all over it.

The reaction to this story from the right is predictable. Why should Cranick "sponge off his neighbors" to get helped out, as Glenn Beck said recently. Except there was no sponging because he simply forgot to pay the fee as he had in the past. And if they had tax money covering the fire department he would be paying his fair share as well. I'm wondering what happens if you can't afford the fee. What then? I guess all the poor people in Obion county are fucked.


Today, there are politicians and commentators who want to push in the other direction: to water citizenship down, and turn Americans into mere customers. In this view, you should get things — including basics like fire service — not as a right of citizenship, but as a privilege with a price.

Indeed. So, in the GOP's vision of a perfect world, the only rights we would have as citizens are contingent upon how much money we have. Which party is it again that is the party of privilege? More importantly, which party continually blames the victim?

9 comments:

Glenn said...

As a firefighter in Colorado, this is what I have to say.

It is indeed sad that the South Fulton Fire Department puts a stain on all firemen. Do what is right. Be real men. My disappointment and anger at you all letting a house burn and animals die is great. For what? To prove a point? How about this, you should all be fired if not brought up on criminal charges. Does anyone in your department give a damn?

Anonymous said...

The county is part of District 77 of the Tennessee House of Representatives, currently represented by Democrat Judy Barker, and District 24 of the Tennessee Senate, currently represented by Democrat Roy Herron.[5] At the federal level, it is part of the state's 8th congressional district, currently represented by Democrat John S. Tanner.

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GuardDuck said...

Hmmm, I just read the GOP's 'Promise to America'. Can't find in it where they say they want to privatize fire departments.

Glenn said...

So what, anonymous? I don't care what political affiliation they are. It was wrong to just stand there and watch the guy's house burn down.

Anonymous said...

Good case for State's Rights. This community decided NOT to collect a fire dept's contract fee (via property taxes), and instead leave it up to the individual.

Their call. Home owner decided not to pay.

Everyone would not pay if they knew the FD would still show up.

Sorry, it sucks, but it is what it is. Home owner should put in a sprinkler system.

Haplo9 said...

First, lets untangle the spin around this one.

1. The entity of Obion County has next to nothing to do with this incident, except insofar is Obion County does not have county fire services. The county doesn't "require" the residents to do anything. Thus:
2. The city of South Fulton (population: 2517 at the 2000 census) offers fire protection services to residents of unincorporated Obion County for an annual fee of $75. The fee exists because residents in unincorporated Obion County do not pay taxes that pay for the South Fulton fire department, while residents in South Fulton do. (Ie property taxes.)

Now, you seem to think that the fire department should have put out the fire even though the guy didn't pay. Maybe so. But (and this is why conservatives think liberals are well intentioned, but dumb) you need to acknowledge the incentives that this creates.

-If the fire department accepts payment of the $75 on the spot when the fire is happening, then county residents will rationally never pay the $75, and only pay when their house is on fire. As a result, the fire dept will be poorly funded and everyone will be worse off.
-If the fire department tries to charge on a per incident basis in order to try to offset the hazard associated with the first point, the bills will reach into the thousands of dollars, and they would be unlikely to collect on a consistent basis. How many people are likely to afford the 2k? 3k? bill that would come out of that?

There are certainly other ways to do this. Obion County could raise property taxes and pay the city of South Fulton directly to cover everyone within it's borders. (Or establish it's own county level fire department to cover residents outside of municipalities.) That would require the residents agreeing to said higher property taxes however.

All that said, this really comes down to a simple question - how should services be paid for? Services are not free, and it isn't reasonable to expect that the city of South Fulton should provide fire services to everyone in Obion County for free.

I'm curious about the following hypothetical as well - you seem to be saying that the fire fighters should have put out the fire regardless of payment, because that's what they "do". Would your opinion change if you knew that this was the 20th fire at county residences that refused to pay the annual fee, and all South Fulton had to show for it was a blown budget? If you opinion still doesn't change, then how should fire service be paid for, in your opinion?

Glenn said...

Fire services should be paid for by city and/or county taxes. This is what most municipalities do.

It still doesn't make up for the fact that firefighters stood there and did nothing. At least they could have used non city or non county equipment to help. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Fundamentalist Wackos said...

How about this, you should all be fired if not brought up on criminal charges.

Fire services should be paid for by city and/or county taxes. This is what most municipalities do.

It still doesn't make up for the fact that firefighters stood there and did nothing. At least they could have used non city or non county equipment to help. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.


So what are you saying? So far as I can tell, the voters of Obion County chose this solution. Are you suggesting that those voters should not have been allowed to make such a choice? Or are you saying that once someone chooses to make a career as a rescue worker, they should be required to come to the rescue at all times and under all circumstances for the rest of their lives, even if they will get no compensation for it, and in fact may leave themselves open to lawsuits by doing so?

This sounds like the same kind of quasi-slavery the left favors for healthcare workers, too.

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