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Wednesday, November 27, 2013

That Old Time Corporate Religion

The lead plaintiff before the court is Hobby Lobby, a chain of more than 500 arts and crafts stores with more than 13,000 employees. The owners are conservative Christians who object to some forms of birth control and contend that the mandate thus abridges their religious rights in violation of both the Constitution and federal law.
Their argument is basically that corporations are people and have religious rights. The entire argument is specious: can the corporation go to church? Take communion? Be baptized? Get married? Have souls? Go to heaven?

The idea that a corporation is a person is sheer nonsense. Corporations are legal fictions that exist only on paper. People are born, not incorporated in Delaware. If you're a believer, you believe that God created you. Corporations are completely secular creations of government, granted their existence by an act of Congress. Corporations aren't even in the Constitution. They certainly aren't in the Bible.

Unlike people, corporations can be bought and sold, which means that Hobby Lobby's "deeply held religious beliefs" could go completely out the window if the owners decided to sell the business or died in a car accident. The sheer ridiculousness of corporate religion becomes apparent when you consider publicly held corporations like Exxon or GM.

The purpose of corporate entities is to allow individuals to evade personal legal and financial responsibility for the actions of the corporation, on the theory that they can take financial risks that will benefit the economy at large while protecting their families' future. For example, corporations can declare bankruptcy and that fact will not appear on the personal credit reports of the corporate officers who made the decisions that caused the bankruptcy.

The provisions of the ACA apply to the corporation, not to the owners of Hobby Lobby. Those provisions may violate the religious beliefs of the owners, but they are not the corporation: it is an entity independent of them, which they can sell and divest themselves of any responsibility. If Hobby Lobby is claiming  that the corporation is just an extension of themselves, then their business is not a corporation, but rather a partnership. In other words, they have willfully made incorrect corporate filings.

So, if the owners of Hobby Lobby want the legal and financial shield against personal liability that incorporation provides, they need to accept all the secular responsibilities that running a legal entity created by government entails. Otherwise, they should acknowledge that they're just a partnership and accept full personal responsibility for all legal and financial liabilities of the company.

Corporations should not even have the legal standing to make the argument about the free exercise of religion. The Supreme Court should rule that if Hobby Lobby doesn't want to pay for birth control coverage, it should reorganize as a partnership and file another lawsuit.

Stopping there would just kick the can down the road, though. The Supreme Court should also decide that companies -- partnerships or corporations -- can't pick and choose what laws they obey based on the prejudices of their owners. Today, Hobby Lobby doesn't want to pay for birth control coverage. Tomorrow, a Jew or Hindu won't want to cover drugs that contain stearic acid (made from pig or cow fat), or Jehovah's Witness won't want to cover blood transfusions, or a Christian Scientist won't want to cover any medical care.

If Hobby Lobby prevails in the Supreme Court, what's next? Will they come back and argue that they have the right to fire employees who use birth control, because they don't want their money (the wages they pay employees) to be used to violate their religious beliefs? Will they then claim that they can only hire Christians, because they don't want their money to pay for synagogues and mosques?

We already settled these questions of employment law decades ago. The argument over the birth control mandate is just another variation on the same theme of hiring blacks and Jews, with the ultimate goal of overturning those laws and going back to the bad old days when employers could force employees to do anything they wanted.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

And the lies continue from Markadelphia's site.

… CEO David Green pointed out. “We’ve not only added jobs in a weak economy; we’ve raised wages for the past four years in a row. Our full-time employees start at 80 percent above minimum wage.”

Many of Hobby Lobby’s employees are single moms working two jobs. Green doesn’t need federal mandates to tell him how to treat and retain good employees. He does it because it is the “right thing to do.” While countless businesses have been forced to drop health insurance for their shrinking workforces during the Age of Obama, Hobby Lobby headquarters opened an onsite comprehensive health care and wellness clinic in 2010 with no co-pays.

Hobby Lobby employees are covered under the company’s self-insured health plan, which brings us back to the company’s legal case. Last September, Hobby Lobby sued the feds over Obamacare’s “preventive services” mandate, which forces the Christian-owned-and-operated business to provide, without co-pay, abortion-inducing drugs including the “morning after pill” and “week after pill” in their health insurance plan. The company risked fines up to $1.3 million per day for defying the government’s coercive abridgement of their First Amendment rights.




Planned Parenthood femme-a-gogues, Senate Democratic leaders, Christian-bashing celebs and atheist bullies immediately attacked Hobby Lobby for “denying women access to birth control.” The lies and religious persecution, especially on the eve of America’s national holiday commemorating the pilgrims’ escape thereof, are unconscionable. Hobby Lobby’s company health insurance plan covers 16 of the 20 FDA-approved contraceptives required under the Obamacare mandate — at no additional costs to employees. What Hobby Lobby refuses to do is to be forced to cover abortifacients that violate the owners’ faith and conscience.
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It's so nice how the "tolerant" left in this country wants to force people to pay for murder.

You know that First Amendment thing? It says "free exercise" of religion.

You know, that reminds me of a question that is still unanswered:

Is the Constitution law? (322 days and counting)

Mark Ward said...

Debate.org...any time. Let's see how well you do standing on your own.

Anonymous said...

You have your own forum here, loser. You have had years of practice at getting exposed as a liar and ideologue. You think moving a forum is going to shore up your ignorance and circular reasoning?

Mark Ward said...

The offer is open to anyone, 6Kings, including you. As I have explained previously, I don't think any of you have the stomach to stand on your own on a larger stage where you can't employ the adolescent tactics (like this question about the Constitution which NMN knows he will have to reword if he were to engage in an honest debate) I allow you to use here. All of you need the others that post here to gloss over your massive insecurity in terms of your assertions. They are very deeply flawed and all of you are afraid to hear that from outside of the bubble.

Believe me, you will and that's why it's clear who is truly "Brave Sir Robin."

GuardDuck said...

Debate.org...any time. Let's see how well you do standing on your own.

Debate.org = winning the argument

Why are you so focused on 'winning the argument' rather than understanding of truth?

Anonymous said...

like this question about the Constitution which NMN knows he will have to reword if he were to engage in an honest debate

If the question is worded incorrectly, then explaining what is incorrect about it is an honest answer to the question. But you refuse to do that. So who is being dishonest here?

BTW, The Constitution itself states the answer to that question in terms which are precisely as simple as my question, though in stronger terms. In fact, that answer in the Constitution is where my question came from.

(Note: I just finished responding to one of Mark's incorrectly worded questions by showing what was wrong with the question. That is how it's done.)

I don't think any of you have the stomach to stand on your own on a larger stage where you can't employ the adolescent tactics

That's odd. Tactics like actually addressing your opponents arguments using sound logic and evidence while avoiding personal insults is precisely the tactics debate.org focuses on as valid. What makes you think you won't get slaughtered there? Have you tried participating in any debate there? If so, post some links.

Mark Ward said...

I've never actually debated on the site but would welcome the opportunity to do so. Go ahead and put up the Constitution question and let's see how well you do on your own. You are going to have to change the question, though, to be more specific and less adolescent. And actually more courageous. You really want to ask if the 2nd amendment is open to interpretation and/or unlimited. Or is it the entire Constitution? By saying "it's law" implies a certainty that just isn't there and never has been. Think about how it has been challenged and changed over 200+ years and you just don't like that. So stop being a coward, ask the less safe for you question and do it in a forum where you can stand on your own.

Mark Ward said...

Getting back to the original post, Nikto's point is brilliant. Corporations are not people. They are secular entities that are government created. Suppose the owner of Hobby Lobby said his religious beliefs told him that having surgery was wrong. Or getting vaccines. Where do you draw the line?

Anonymous said...

You are going to have to change the question, though, to be more specific and less adolescent.

The question is VERY specific. In fact, it's clearly TOO specific for you, which is why you resort to name calling and running away. If it is Law, then it must be treated as such and obeyed. (Issues of interpretation apply to every law.) If it is not law, then it has no authority in the governing of this country, period. There is no room for middle ground. Either it is Law and must be treated as such (subject to interpretation) or it is not.

By saying "it's law" implies a certainty that just isn't there and never has been.

Really?

This Constitution … shall be the supreme Law of the Land;
Constitution of the United States, Article VI, Paragraph 2

Looks simple and clear enough to me. Perhaps you're running away from the question because you don't want it to be Law?

If it not Law, then "interpretation" does not matter. Period. Thus the question:

Is the Constitution law? (322 days and counting)

If the answer is No. Then we're done. Debate over. The government can do anything and everything it wants. The "interpretation" question can be safely ignored.

If the answer is Yes, then, and only then, does "interpretation" become an issue. Of course, then that brings up another question you've been actively running from:

Authors of words have a meaning they intend to communicate, and that meaning is the only valid "interpretation" of any writing. Do you agree or disagree? (Started 133 days ago and counting)

Anonymous said...

Suppose the owner of Hobby Lobby said his religious beliefs told him that having surgery was wrong. Or getting vaccines.

That's not the case. Therefore it's the Straw man logical fallacy.

Fallacy: unsound, erroneous, misleading, deceptive, FALSE.

Which, of course, once again takes us back to:

Is "false" equal to "truth"? (284 days and counting, see here for background)

Anonymous said...

Corporations are not people. They are secular entities that are government created.

True. It was necessary so businesses could continue to exist even as the owners/principles change.

Suppose the owner of Hobby Lobby…

Oops. Mark just blew Nikto's "brilliant" argument out of the water. Corporations are run by people who have rights which our government is required to protect.