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Tuesday, October 30, 2012

On Stiglitz, Part Four

Spend just a few minutes on the internet and you can see Joseph Stiglitz everywhere.

A recent article on how public sector belt tightening has made inequality worse.

These reductions, economists say, act as a drag on the economy. Former park employees, clerks, and firefighters such as Lykins are buying only the necessities. Cities are deferring road work, which means contractors aren't hiring people to pour concrete. By far, the largest impact is on school systems, which are laying off teachers, counselors, and janitors.

The latest BLS data on the working poor.

In 2010, there were 10.5 million individuals classified as "working poor" (persons who spent at least 27 weeks in the labor force—that is, working or looking for work—but whose incomes still fell below the official poverty level); the number of working poor was little changed from 2009.

Yet another report on the widening income disparity.

The divergent fortunes of Reyes and Hemsley show that the U.S. has gone through two recoveries. The 1.2 million households whose incomes put them in the top 1 percent of the U.S. saw their earnings increase 5.5 percent last year, according to estimates released last month by the U.S. Census Bureau. Earnings fell 1.7 percent for the 96 million households in the bottom 80 percent -- those that made less than $101,583.

So, Chapter 4 of The Price of Inequality by Joseph Stiglitz, aptly titled "Why It Matters" could never be more relevant.

Stiglitz begins by illustrating a very simple fact.

When the wealthiest use their political power to benefit excessively the corporations they control, much needed revenues are diverted into the pockets of a few instead of benefiting society at large. But the rich do not exist in a vacuum. They need a functioning society around them to sustain their position and to produce income from their assets. The rich resist taxes, but taxes allow society to make investments that sustain the country's growth.

This echoes Nick Hanuer and his pointing out of the obvious: he (and other wealthy people) don't buy 5,000 pairs of pants. They buy 5 pairs. If people are buying less pairs of pants, the economy doesn't grow and that's why it matters. But it gets worse.

As Stiglitz notes, moving money from the bottom to the top lower consumption because the wealthy save more of their money rather than spend it. In fact, they save 15 to 25 percent of their income whereas those at the bottom spend all of theirs. Why does this matter?

The result: until and unless something else happens, such as increase in investment or exports, total demand in the economy will be less than what the economy is capable of supplying-and that means there will be unemployment. 

So, what can be done? Well, the wealthy are going to have to give up some of the money they are saving if they want to continue to have a society in which to enjoy their wealth. Stiglitz thinks that this should be done through taxes and government spending. Certainly, that's going to happen in some form or another but I question to what degree and, I have to admit, I question the mechanism. Relying completely on government is not the answer. As Stiglitz himself admits, they are running the government with their money and it's going to be enormously difficult to break out of that cycle, if not impossible. I think the president is trying to do this and having a tough time of it. Mitt Romney will make it worse.

That doesn't change the fact that the wealthy of this country are going to have to ALL do what Bill Gates does in Africa but do it here. It can't just be a few of them and the sooner they realize the necessity of this to their own livelihoods, the better. Stiglitz has a simple way to solve it.

The top 1 percent of this country earns 20 percent of the income. If they shifted just 5 percent of that income to the poor or middle class who do not save (through a combination of taxes, private charities, grants, and higher wages a la Henry Ford), this would increase aggregate demand by 1 percentage point and still leave them obviously quite wealthy with 15 percent of the nation's income. This is what we saw from post WWII to about 1980 and it wasn't socialism, folks, there was still inequality...just not enough to inhibit growth in our economy like there is right now.

This increase of one point would have a cascading effect. As the money recirculates, output would actually increase by 1.5 to 2 percentage points. Unemployment would go down considerably, likely around 6 percent. Stiglitz notes that a broader redistribution (from the top 20 percent, as opposed to the top 1 percent) would lower this unemployment even further.

Right around now is when the mouth foamers blow a bowel and starting screaming about socialism and/or communism. Paying higher taxes, as Stiglitz is suggesting, isn't socialism. Morever, I'd be more than happy if the wealthy of this country saw the need to do this voluntarily and simply did it for their own sake's. If we continue down this path of increased inequality and stagnation (likely worse, eventually), they will not have a choice. I think things are moving in the right direction, though, and we are already seeing some signs of this possibly happening and I am certainly optimistic.

Stiglitz goes on to discuss how the government's response to weak demand from inequality led to a bubble and even more inequality. He cites inadequate regulation and dishonest/incompetent banking as large contributors to this problem but this has been gone over many times.

He then lays out exactly how inequality makes for a less efficient and productive economy by looking at lowering public investment (as we see in the CSM link above), underinvestiment in the common good like education that directly leads to economic mobility, rent seeking and the financialization of our economy (the oil market is a great example of this...filled with people that don't actually buy oil but speculate on it), and the issue of consumerism.I'm going to turn this final point of consumerism into a stand alone post at some point as it is worthy of special attention. 

The rest of Chapter 4 is devoted to the alleged inequality efficiency trade off which, again, deserves its own post and honestly is separate from the issue of why inequality matters.  Suffice to say, Stiglitz has shown thus far that not only are we failing in equality of outcome but we are failing in equality of opportunity. People simply don't have the income mobility that leads to greater opportunity and our society is sorely lacking in closing this gap and increasing these types of opportunities.

Worse, as Stiglitz previews for the next chapter, this inequality is imperiling our democracy.

19 comments:

juris imprudent said...

What "much needed revenues" - is he talking about - tax revenue for the govt? Or personal income?

The rich resist taxes, but taxes allow society to make investments that sustain the country's growth.

So when the rich invest it isn't investment, but when the govt spends it is all investment - that seems to be the argument. I don't suppose you see the dichotomy.

juris imprudent said...

total demand in the economy

What if Keynes is wrong about that and Friedman is right?

Mark Ward said...

Well, Stiglitz's point is that the rich don't invest and save their money.

I think Keynes today isn't as applicable as he used to be. They way our economy is set up, demand, not supply, should be where our focus is for improvement. And, if you think about it, even tax cuts are Keynesian...especially if they are targeted at the middle class.

A. Noni Mouse said...

Stiglitz's point is that the rich don't invest and save their money.

Really?!? Then where is it? In their McDuck vault?

Mark Ward said...

They don't spend it in a way that encourages economic growth...the way the middle class would spend if they had extra money. It's both a quantitative and qualitative problem.

juris imprudent said...

Well, Stiglitz's point is that the rich don't invest and save their money.

Really? Does he actually say that? Do you understand what "saving" is?

So apparently the issue is that the rich have too much income, not necessarily that they don't pay enough taxes. Correct? Because that doesn't follow from his premise that you quoted (so perhaps there is more to this argument, or not).

A. Noni Mouse said...

They don't spend it in a way that encourages economic growth

And what way is that? Buying fancy cars? (Increases jobs in car industry.) Buying fancy houses? (Increases jobs in construction) How is it possible to spend money without growth where that money is spent?

The only spending I can see that would not cause economic growth is giving it to politicians.

How are they getting richer if they're not investing money?

Anonymous said...

Mark, you have to admit that it is funny, watching people that are smarter than you deconstruct your arguments. I'm always amused when your attempt to try an intellectual argument will devolve into something you didn't see coming. Yet, you will still expound on how you are smarter and more 'feeling' than the person you are debating with.

Mark Ward said...

I think you should read the book, Noni, and judge for yourself. It's not really that difficult of a concept to grasp. The wealthy of this country simply don't have the economic muscle that the middle class has in terms of growth. People like Nick Hanuer have explained why this is the case.

It would be on thing if they actually invested in something. Many of them don't and simply invest in speculation. This is what Stiglitz talks about when he discusses the finanacialization of our economy. Investing money into money should never be the backbone of any economy.

juris imprudent said...

The investment argument hinges on the govt being able to "invest" better than private wealthy people. If you take that money away from them in taxes you get better results - which is rather strange since so little of govt spending can be considered investment.

Conversely, if wealthy people spend their wealth on frivolous goods, showcasing their status, they are not further building wealth. Yet when the govt spends on frivolous goods (DoD exotic weapons) that is supposedly "productive".

Apparently govt spending is magic.

Anonymous said...

Correct me if I'm wrong. Mark: Gov't spending = smart. Private investment = stupid. Fair place to start?

Anonymous said...

These economic discussions crack me up. Can't even get the basic premises right and yet they try to build an argument on...vapor?

"Don't build you house on sandy land, don't build it too near the shore..."

A. Noni Mouse said...

Mark,

My reading stack is already too large. (I'm currently rotating through 6 different books, with probably 20 times that in the queue. That's not even counting the stuff on my wish list.) I'm not keen on adding yet another; let alone trying to catch up. (By the time I would actually get to that point in the book, you will have moved on to something else.)

But you made a simple statement that led to obvious—and equally simple—questions, which I asked. If Stiglitz address those questions directly, then just copy and paste his reasoning. If not, then I have to ask you based on your understanding of his argument. (That is what teachers like you expect students to do, isn't it?)

They're simple questions, Mark. It should be equally simple to answer them.

A. Noni Mouse said...

Yet when the govt spends on frivolous goods (DoD exotic weapons) that is supposedly "productive".

To some extent, that's a poor example. DoD purchases are both Constitutionally sound and made from private companies; generating private sector jobs.

Better examples might be giving money to countries that hate us, or "investing" in companies like Solyndra, or buying out GM in a way that is both violates the law and gives money only to politically connected groups.

juris imprudent said...

To some extent, that's a poor example.

No, I am making a point about conspicuous consumption - the bugbear of class warriors and the economic impact of that spending.

Any military system has but two real purposes - making the soldier more lethal, or making him more survivable. It is amazing how much is spent on shit that does neither. In that regard, this spending is economically no different than the rich buying super-luxury cars. Yes, in both cases there are jobs created in the manufacturing sector - but neither is an investment in manufacturing. Wealth is created based on investment in productive assets. Stiglitz is correct that 'investment' in the financial sector is not productive. He has the problem right - but is wrong on the solution (so far as M has portrayed it).

So there is an economic impact from that spending (be it public or private) - but not the one that M is arguing supposedly based on Stiglitz. I expect sloppy economics from M, so I want to avoid unnecessarily blaming Stiglitz for that. On the other hand, he appears to be a raging Keynesian and I am much more a Friedmanite.

The kicker is that Keynes is trickle-down economics based on govt spending instead of private spending.

6Kings said...

Stiglitz is correct that 'investment' in the financial sector is not productive.

I would even challenge that. Investment in the financial sector is, in theory, making allocation of resources more efficient which and in effect, allowing more investment in the right places. It isn't perfect, nothing is, but it is still allocating resources via the market rather than somebody's vapid proggie wet dream world.

juris imprudent said...

in theory

Sure, in theory. The question is, what has happened in reality. I don't have the link handy but there was a very good article (and I can't even remember the author right now) that talked about this. His argument was that the economy had been morphed into a monetary/financial plaything. I'll try to dig it up. Oh, and the solution had nothing to do with Stiglitz, income inequality or vapid proggie moralizing.

By the way, Stiglitz does correctly identify a number of problems - where he then fails is in his solutions. As far as I can tell, from his original brief article on inequality and M's summarizations - he does not establish (beyond the Keynesian theory) why this is a problem.

juris imprudent said...

Worse, as Stiglitz previews for the next chapter, this inequality is imperiling our democracy.

This should be interesting. There is nothing like the hubris of economists pontificating on matters outside of their specialized knowledge. I used to believe the Chicago School were the worst for this, but given Krugman and what is probably coming next here I'm not sure that is still true.

Marxy said...

Here's something for you doubters to chew on: the .gov has extended subsidized flood insurance for people living in floodplains and beaches just in time for Sandy. Encouraging people to build houses in idiotic locations means they get destroyed regularly, and then we can spend money rebuilding. Just think of all the construction jobs that creates and sustains! Not to mention insurance adjusters, government bureaucrats to oversee it all. Why can't you morons see that we can't afford NOT to build everything in dumb places. And just think how much employment moving all our coastal cities inland as sea level rises will create! We can't afford not to burn all the coal and oil we can! We just need to tax the hell out of it so we can spend that money. In fact, tax ALL the money from everybody, then use the ginormous tax revenues to put everyone on the .gov payroll, and watch the economy take off like it never has before!