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Wednesday, October 03, 2012

Post Debate Thoughts

Mitt Romney did a good job tonight in the debate against the president and, man oh man, did he need it. If he had made one or two serious errors, it would have been all over.

Instead, he rose to the occasion and became the Mitt Romney that I had thought had vanished and been replaced by an android built by the right wing blogsphere. We saw this in his latest ad in which he is talking directly to the camera about the middle class. Mitt Romney, The Moderate, is back.

He spent the entire night talking about how he would help the middle class, keep Medicare and Social Security, and focus on education. Of course, he had to do all these things after the 47 percent remark. If you want to win the presidency, you have to win the middle and he was very congenial as opposed to being the red meat attack dog that we have seen for the last two years. In many ways, he essentially lopped off the far right from the campaign and...dare I say it?...shook the Etch-E-Sketch. I have to wonder...what is the base going to think about this?

The president seemed off his game tonight and I have to wonder why. Was he tired? Is there some sort of foreign policy crisis brewing that we don't know about? In many ways, this debate performance reminded me of President Bush's first debate against John Kerry (with Romney reminding me of Kerry as well) in 2004. He just didn't do a good job. The main thing I didn't like is he kept looking down, smiling and taking notes. He should've looked more often at Romney.

What's ironic about this is that the president's continued call for Romney to explain his specifics on things like what loopholes he would get rid of went unanswered. I was shocked that Jim Lehrer didn't to after this as well. Honestly, everyone seemed very nice and friendly....even down to the families getting together at the conclusions and chatting for a minute. I have to admit, it was kind of a nice break from all the ugliness.

I guess the group that I'm most PO'd at right now is the left wing pundits in the media. They are fit to be tied that the president didn't attack, attack, ATTACK!!! They have been whining all night about how he didn't mention the 47 percent and rub his nose in it. I don't think that would've worked at all and made him look less presidential. All of the undecided voters watching the debate on CNN reacted VERY negatively to any negative attacks.

In some ways, this is how the president is in a real bind. He can't be the attack dog that he needed to be to put Romney away for good but if he tries to rise above it all, he looks like he doesn't care which is essentially what happened tonight. I mean, we are talking about theater, after all:)

Of course, you could almost smell this in the air, right? The bullied and beaten up candidate..by his own hand and a rabid voting bloc...now...rising to the occasion and rising again...like the phoenix! The media just love this shit, right? We all knew that they would do this to keep people excited about the election. Well, in a few days, we'll see what the impact on the polls will be and we'll have a more accurate picture of the effect of this debate. If the CNN post debate interview with undecided Colorado voters is any indication, nothing will change. 8 flipped over to Obama and 8 flipped over to Romney!

In the final analysis, I don't think he's been bloodied enough in this election and he needed this kick in the teeth to avoid being complacent and resting on his lead in the swing states. It's certainly going to be an interesting rest of the week!

Or not.

12 comments:

-just dave said...

Tired? A foreign policy crisis brewing that we don't know about?

That's priceless! Absolutely brilliant.

More likely a scheduling conflict between a Vegas junket and Whoopi's couch.

No, I can assure you that for someone MIA from his intelligence briefing both before and even AFTER an attack on our soil, the murder of our ambassador and the greatest single loss of aircraft since Viet Nam, the man does not have leadership or governance on his mind.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Obama wants the job anymore, and he threw an intentional grounder.

From here on out, I don't think we'll see any two term presidents. The American people are too fickle and their need for instant gratification will not allow it.

rld said...

Romney went for a car ride and strapped Obama to the roof of the car.

A foreign policy issue on his mind? Thanks for the morning chuckle. We had Al Queda flags going up over our embassies and ambassadors being killed while Obama was at fundraisers and campaign stops. If Bush behaved like that you would have screamed to the heavens markadelphia.

Mark Ward said...

Wow, rld, why would you want to bring that up again after such a good night from your guy?

dave, my thoughts on a possible crisis came from this...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/02/world/libya-us-targets/index.html

I could be wrong, of course, but time will tell. We have no way of knowing what happened yesterday and what the president had to deal with. Maybe something's going on with one of his daughters?

I also don't think it's very fair to rip him (with inthebubblespeak) about Vegas and Whoppi when you don't really know what's going on behind the scenes.

A. Noni Mouse said...

OT: Christianity and Government (followup to the Jefferson thread)

Mark, the price for the Kindle version of Wayne Grudem's book, Politics - According to the Bible: A Comprehensive Resource for Understanding Modern Political Issues in Light of Scripture, just dropped to $4.99. (For a $40 book.) I highly recommend taking advantage of that deal.

I just started reading it myself, but already he has made an important point I want to highlight:

…five clearly wrong (and harmful) views about Christians and politics: (1) “government should compel religion,” (2) “government should exclude religion,” (3) “all government is evil and demonic,” (4) “the church should do evangelism, not politics,” and (5) “the church should do politics, not evangelism.” As an alternative, I argue for what I think to be the correct view: (6) “significant Christian influence on government.”

Not only does Doctor Grudem argue for this position, that's the same position that Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams and most of the other Founding Fathers argued for.

Here's the bio on Wayne Grudem:

Wayne Grudem, research professor of theology and biblical studies at Phoenix Seminary, received his A.B. from Harvard, M.Div. and honorary D.D. from Westminster Seminary-Philadelphia, and Ph.D. in New Testament from the University of Cambridge. He is a board member of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, a past president of the Evangelical Theological Society, and the author of twenty books. He was the general editor of the ESV Study Bible, and is a member of the Translation Oversight Committee for the English Standard Version Bible. He and his wife, Margaret, have been married since 1969, and they have three grown sons.

A. Noni Mouse said...

I also don't think it's very fair to rip him (with inthebubblespeak) about Vegas and Whoppi when you don't really know what's going on behind the scenes.

When Obama is going to Vegas and appearing with Whoopi, while ignoring security briefings and meetings with foreign leaders, it demonstrates that he's giving those priority over the "behind the scenes" stuff that is his duty to pay attention to.

GuardDuck said...

Maybe something's going on with one of his daughters?

What? Are you serious? If the positions were reversed would you say we shouldn't be too hard on Romney because one of his kids could have been sick?

You don't need to answer that, I know the answer.


As for being tired because he may have been doing some 'presidentially-stuff'? Please, he wasn't doing it last time, or the time before, or the time before - he's shown that his priority is getting re-elected. You think anything possibly big enough to interfere with that wouldn't have made the news because, oh I don't know, maybe a nuke going off is kinda hard to hide.....

Anonymous said...

Was he tired?

Is there some sort of foreign policy crisis brewing that we don't know about?

Maybe something's going on with one of his daughters?


Stop! I can't breathe! Ribs hurting... give me a minute...

Mark Ward said...

Interesting. Not a comment yet about Mitt's pivot to the middle. Which is more important-adhering to your conservative principles or beating Barack Obama?

Anonymous said...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gores-blames-altitude-obamas-debate-woes_653613.html

Just when I was down to chuckling uncontrollably.

It was the altitude!

Stop! I'm crying!

last in line said...

Great post Guardduck. I know the answer too.

Could be a combination of many things -

Could be that his record is pretty hard to defend. I'd have a hard time defending the increase in the number of people on food stamps or Dodd-Frank (considering Jon Corzine lost $1 billion of his customers money after that legislation was passed and not one person on this blog seems to care that he isn't in jail).

Could be that he relies too much on teleprompters.

Could be that in his previous debates, he really hasn't had someone take it to him.

Could be that he isn't used to being challenged.

Could be that Obama relied on riffs and soundbites that get applause at campaign events - debates require further explanation of policy.

Could be that Romney had a clear command of the numbers and policies he was citing.

Could have been that Obama talked about his own agenda as a set of proposals — essentially the same proposals he made in 2008. At one point he even said his deficit-reduction plan was on a website somewhere for everyone to see. Well anyone can put things on a website, but the president can get legislation passed.

Anyhoo, I'm sure Mitt won't win all 3 debates. When he doesn't do so well, I'll call for tolerance on this blog because we don't know what's going on behind the scenes with his kids.

There's some red meat. Chomp away.

Larry said...

It was the altitude!

Utter hogwash. By his own admission, Obama and the "Choom Gang" spent long periods of time much higher than that!